Ron Paul supporter attacked and then charged with murder!!

[Luft97]

So instead of aiming for the arm, shoulder or chest......you point blank the guy in the face?

Doesn't add up.

I got news for you if I pull my weapon it is shoot to kill. Head shot will do it. I don't want to wound the guy then have him come back and file a law suit. I have been told several times by LE that if you shoot, aim high for that very reason. Dead men tell no tales.

 

[runningdiz]

I remember a similar post months ago I am pretty sure it was the same incident. I think it was the actual person who posted it asking about a lawyer. (not sure maybe someone can find it searching I have had no luck)

Hope jusice is served either way.

 

[Razmear]

So instead of aiming for the arm, shoulder or chest......you point blank the guy in the face?

Doesn't add up.

If you are going to shoot someone, you shoot to kill, so aiming for the head is logical. Shooting to wound is telling the jury that you were not really in that much danger, which is why I load buckshot instead of birdshot in my 18inch Mossberg.

If the shooter had not fled the scene, he might not have even been arrested, and if he felt threatened by the other witnesses, then he should have driven towards the local PD while calling 911 on his cell. The fact that the cops had to show up at his house after the shooting to arrest him is what is going to do the most damage to his case. Did the shooter even notify the cops of the shooting prior to the arrest? If not he is likely going down for manslaughter at the least.

eb

 

[soapmistress]

if you are actually stupid enough to carry a gun

whoa

 

[LibertyOfOne]

I'm sorry you have such a low opinion of the value of life. You actually said that if someone puts a hand on me I'll kill them. I'm afraid this is the kind of attitude the guy in the story had and if he had predetermined that he would kill anyone that bothered him he should be charged with murder.

I hope for his sake and his families this was a case of self-defense.

1) I didn't say that. You are the one suggesting I said that.
2) It's a simple law of nature. If you inflect force on someone don't be shocked if they return with equal or greater force.
3) If someone can't control their compulsion to attack someone physically, than what is to stop them from going all the way and committing murder?
4) Hands can be as deadly as a firearm - People can die from punches to the forehead.

 

[brandon]

What do you think about this hypothetical situation....

One day you come home from work and find a strange man having consensual sex with your wife. You respond on gut instinct, and punch the man in the head. This man was not threatening you at all. As you prepare to punch him again, he defends himself by shooting you. You die.

Is this man innocent?

 

[LibertyOfOne]

What do you think about this hypothetical situation....

One day you come home from work and find a strange man having consensual sex with your wife. You respond on gut instinct, and punch the man in the head. This man was not threatening you at all. As you prepare to punch him again, he defends himself by shooting you. You die.

Is this man innocent?

I would have called the police and had him arrested for trespassing. After that I would called my lawyer and ditch the bitch.

 

[brandon]

I would have called the police and had him arrested for trespassing. After that I would called my lawyer and ditch the bitch.

He is not trespassing if your wife invited him into the house.

 

[LibertyOfOne]

He is not trespassing if your wife invited him into the house.

If I own the house he is if I say he is.

 

[westmich4paul]

I'm 100% supporter of the second amendment. With that said, if you are actually stupid enough to carry a gun you better damn well not use it unless someone else pulls a gun on you.

If someone is threating to kick your ass this does not give you the right to use deadly force. We don't know the facts of this case but it appears like this guy is the reason the gun control people have an argument that people listen to.

We just had a case here in Grand Rapids, MI WHERE A MAN WAS ATTACKED AT A GAS STATION WHILE PUMPING GAS BY A WORKER AT THE GAS STATION. The worker and the man apparently knew each other and there was apparently a personal motive that created the attack but the worker grabbed a trash can lid and tried using it as a weapon and the man shot him dead right there. He had a ccw permit(concealed weopons permit) and he was released and no charges filed because they determined it was self defense. If you believe you are in danger at least in Grand Rapids, MI it is lawful to use your weapon to kill. You need not be attacked with a gun or a knife but you must believe your life is in danger. Thats the law here anyways.

 

[Kade]

Just because he left the scene doesn't mean he's guilty. Personally, I would have left the scene as well. You don't know who else is in the vehicle, or if they have a gun. Granted, I wouldn't have driven home... that's just stupid. Drive a block or 2 and call the police on a cell phone, or drive to the nearest pay phone.

His wife was in the car. Saw her husband get his brains knocked out.

You're a true sicko.

 

[Kade]

Just because he left the scene doesn't mean he's guilty. Personally, I would have left the scene as well. You don't know who else is in the vehicle, or if they have a gun. Granted, I wouldn't have driven home... that's just stupid. Drive a block or 2 and call the police on a cell phone, or drive to the nearest pay phone.

You know gun laws have gone too far when you no longer have the right to protect your life, liberty, and property. YOU are the first line of defense of your life, liberty, and property... police and laws are second to that. If every thief expected the home owner had a gun and expected they'd get shot during their crime, there'd be a lot less crime.

I heard of a case a couple years ago where a thief broke into somebody's home, grabbed a stack of electronics, and was on his way out when he was confronted by the homeowner with a pointed gun. The homeowner shot the thief in the leg, called 911, and the police and an ambulance carried him away. The thief was sentenced with some jail time.

In a just country, that'd be the end of the story. Well, the thief then filed a lawsuit against the homeowner that shot him in the leg. The thief won his case, and the homeowner was ordered to pay him half a million dollars. Moral of the story; if somebody breaks into your home, and you want to practice your right to defend your life, liberty, and property, you better unload your weapon in their chest.

I just can't get over this dribble...

This wasn't self defense. A man does not deserve to be shot because he argues with someone. That none of you seem to understand that point, only illustrates the dire and rampant stupidity prevailing in this country.

I posted the details, they are all over online. This man took your insane logic to the extreme and destroyed another life, without even thinking twice. This guy didn't break into his home, or rape his wife, or pull his own gun. He argued with him and approached him...

This is beyond messed up. If someone pulled a gun on me like this, they better kill me in one shot, because I will take it from them, and beat them the old fashioned way, with my nature-given fists of fury. This man was an idiot, and he deserves to be punished, not for carrying a weapon, for using it on an obviously unarmed man.

Life is not this worthless, and the whole lot of you dare approach me about the abortion issue ever again will be linked to this inane horse manure of a thread.

 

[phixion]

His wife was in the car. Saw her husband get his brains knocked out.

Yes - and that's EXACTLY why it's best to DRIVE AWAY.

Pete

 

[Kade]

Yes - and that's EXACTLY why it's best to DRIVE AWAY.

Pete

So, confrontation and arguing = death ?

Where have I seen that before...

 

[Time for Change]

Thanks. I was just joking.

But it seems to me that if you feel threatened and pull a gun, that should serve as a warning to the person that you want to be left alone.

If the person continues toward you, I would think that deadly force is justified, because the person might be trying to grab your weapon and use it against you.

NO...You NEVER pull your weapon as a warning.
It will be taken from you if you intend to warn only.
A firearm is intended to be the last resort and only if your life is in absolute undeniable danger.

 

[Kade]

NO...You NEVER pull your weapon as a warning.
It will be taken from you if you intend to warn only.
A firearm is intended to be the last resort and only if your life is in absolute undeniable danger.

Yep. Well, we have one working brain in here.

 

[phixion]

Yep. Well, we have one working brain in here.

Interesting that the police draw their guns as warnings all the time, and rarely are they taken from them.

Are you sure your brain's working?

Pete

 

[phixion]

So, confrontation and arguing = death ?

Where have I seen that before...

Who says it was just a confrontation and argueing?

The large, drunk man clearly was about to instigate a violent assault on a man sitting in his car with his partner.

Unfortunately for this fist-happy drunk, his subject, or punch-bag-to-be owned a pistol and knew how to use it in defense.

Ok,

Pete

 

[Kade]

Who says it was just a confrontation and argueing?

The large, drunk man clearly was about to instigate a violent assault on a man sitting in his car with his partner.

Unfortunately for this fist-happy drunk, his subject, or punch-bag-to-be owned a pistol and knew how to use it in defense.

Ok,

Pete

I didn't anything about large and drunk... and it is still not a defense to use deadly force.

 

[Galileo Galilei]

Try this experiment:

Get drunk, and walk up to a police car, and start yelling that Ron Paul sucks. Then reach into the window and try grabbing the policeman, while at the same time yelling and threatening.

After the policman shoots you, check and see if he is charged with murder.