Ron Paul speaks about Bob Barr:

[JMann]

(and if you listened closely to what Ron Paul said, he doesn't have much hope for the libertarians winning-he said he hopes they are able to do some good)

Except for the interview with George Step... Paul never gave himself much of a chance to win in the dozens of interviews when he was asked why he was running or even in many interviews that he wasn't even asked that specific question.

Winning is everything in politics, if you don't win you don't have power in government, but the Barr campaign can go along way to get the LP qualified automatically in many states for the next four years. I've haven't been much of a fan of the national LP but if Barr can bring attention to issues, get in the debates and get some votes he can help local LP candidates and help to build a legit 3rd party.

 

[JMann]

if he did all the things Ron Paul would do, then yes.

Has he even addressed the dollar and the Federal Reserve though? That's the #1 issue for me.

Ron Paul would never be able to do the things Ron Paul wants to do. Government generally moves slowly and in baby steps. Paul would of made progress and would change the overall direction of the federal government but Dems and Rep will join together to veto much of anything Paul or Barr would want to pass.

Paul's platform would weaken the President as Paul would want to return the administrative branch's powers back to those authorized by the constitution making it even more difficult to make changes.

 

[Menthol Patch]

Ron Paul would never be able to do the things Ron Paul wants to do. Government generally moves slowly and in baby steps. Paul would of made progress and would change the overall direction of the federal government but Dems and Rep will join together to veto much of anything Paul or Barr would want to pass.

Paul's platform would weaken the President as Paul would want to return the administrative branch's powers back to those authorized by the constitution making it even more difficult to make changes.

That is a flat out lie.

Paul would have the ability to do LOTS of things.

Ever hear of the unlimited pardon power of a president?

He could pardon...

1) Non violent drug users that are not guilty of violating anyone else's rights.
2) Victims of the IRS.
3) Victims of gun control laws.

 

[itshappening]

Barr 08..........

 

[JMann]

That is a flat out lie.

Paul would have the ability to do LOTS of things.

Ever hear of the unlimited pardon power of a president?

He could pardon...

1) Non violent drug users that are not guilty of violating anyone else's rights.
2) Victims of the IRS.
3) Victims of gun control laws.

I don't disagree and this would release 100's of thousands of people from prison that should be there and would also release 10's of thousands of people that probably should be in prison.

I doubt Paul would have little support from the people, states and law enforcement to take such radical action. This would be use of the pardon power unseen in history and personally I would prefer issues resolved like this via the legislative process as opposed to abuse of executive order.

 

[Menthol Patch]

Barr 08..........

That should read.....

Neo-con drug warrior Barr 08

 

[Menthol Patch]

I don't disagree and this would release 100's of thousands of people from prison that should be there and would also release 10's of thousands of people that probably should be in prison.

I doubt Paul would have little support from the people, states and law enforcement to take such radical action. This would be use of the pardon power unseen in history and personally I would prefer issues resolved like this via the legislative process as opposed to abuse of executive order.

It's not an abuse of executive power when these people's constitutional rights are being violated!

If you have not violated anyone else's rights are freedoms the government has NO RIGHT to imprison you!

This is an issue that a president should address.

 

[wgadget]

Has anyone heard the rumor that the GOP has planted Barr into the LP to disrupt it by making it more "neocon," for lack of a better word?

 

[torchbearer]

Has anyone heard the rumor that the GOP has planted Barr into the LP to disrupt it by making it more "neocon," for lack of a better word?

I'm an LP insider, and that info is bogus. DId you pull that out of your ass or off of an anonymous post on the internet?
I work inside the LP machinery, Barr is surrounded by long time libertarians. These people aren't stupid.

ANyone here, who causes infighting, is suspect in my book.
I don't care who you support, but if your cause disruption, you are fighting against us.

 

[Menthol Patch]

I'm an LP insider, and that info is bogus. DId you pull that out of your ass or off of an anonymous post on the internet?
I work inside the LP machinery, Barr is surrounded by long time libertarians. These people aren't stupid.

ANyone here, who causes infighting, is suspect in my book.
I don't care who you support, but if your cause disruption, you are fighting against us.

So you support that neocon monster?

I think it's disgusting that the party that used to be called the party of principle would nominate someone that is a drug warrior, who supported the war on drugs, and supported the war in Iraq.

Unlike Ron Paul, Badnarik, or Harry Browne he barely sounds like he wants to reduce the size/cost of government at all! Instead of openly stating the TRUTH that we can abolish the income tax and replace it with NOTHING he talks about a FREAKING 23% or higher NATIONAL SALES TAX!

Bob Barr is either a plant by the Republican Party, is someone simply trying to take advantage of the LP to further his career, or thinks he is a Libertarian but really is not.

I literally want to vomit on myself and post it to Youtube. When he got the nomination I almost had a heart attack.

 

[JMann]

It's not an abuse of executive power when these people's constitutional rights are being violated!

If you have not violated anyone else's rights are freedoms the government has NO RIGHT to imprison you!

This is an issue that a president should address.

So these many non-violent criminals that he will pardon will they people that violated state laws or only federal laws? Don't get me wrong I don't disagree with your ideals I just disagree that this isn't a great use of political power.

The pardon isn't going to do a damn thing about war and the military, social security, education and other federal entitlements. Reducing the federal prison population is a start but it is like talking about a few billion in earmarks vs. the 100's of billions spent of the wars and deployments in general.

 

[JMann]

So you support that neocon monster?

I think it's disgusting that the party that used to be called the party of principle would nominate someone that is a drug warrior, who supported the war on drugs, and supported the war in Iraq.

Unlike Ron Paul, Badnarik, or Harry Browne he barely sounds like he wants to reduce the size/cost of government at all! Instead of openly stating the TRUTH that we can abolish the income tax and replace it with NOTHING he talks about a FREAKING 23% or higher NATIONAL SALES TAX!

Bob Barr is either a plant by the Republican Party, is someone simply trying to take advantage of the LP to further his career, or thinks he is a Libertarian but really is not.

I literally want to vomit on myself and post it to Youtube. When he got the nomination I almost had a heart attack.

The more you post the more people understand how unreasonable and political ignorant you are.

 

[haigh]

Menthol Patch,
It sounds like you really need a Morphine Patch, an aspirin, and some nausea medication. No wonder you detest the old repentant drug warrior.


I'll reiterate my view on Barr:

Considering:
-The Democrats are rapidly moving the country toward socialized medicine
-The Republicans want to continue the foreign policy fiasco's of the 20th century including losing good men in the Iraq boondoggle.
-An unfunded baby boom retirement liability of $54 trillion soon to pit children against their parents in how they vote.
-A trillion dollar per year foreign policy that does more harm than good.
-Billions wasted on farm subsidies
-A centralized banking system destroying the currency with massive wealth transfers between tax producers and tax consumers

Given this context the political differences between Barr and Baldwin pale into irrelevance.

The only question for me in November will be which party can send the loudest message of protest against all of these crimes against America.

My bets on the LP, but I'll change in a heart beat if the CP roars ahead

 

[azminuteman]

I'm Supporting Barr.

I understand people's misgivings with him, and how some even think he may just be pulling a (stupid) political move, rather than having actually changed his views that much.

I just have to respond that as long as Barr is a spokesperson for Liberty, he will have my support. If he ever returns to the ways that he came from, or acts against Peace and Freedom in some way, I will cut all support.

I encourage the rest of you to consider my reasoning, no matter what your personal reasons are for not supporting Barr.

He has an anemic quarter of a million dollars. Lets get this guy some campaign money.

 

[JMann]

He has an anemic quarter of a million dollars. Lets get this guy some campaign money.

This is very frustrating because Paul could raise that in 1 hour, much less a month.

 

[austin356]

From Third Party Watch

Ron Paul on Bob Barr

Congressman Ron Paul was interviewed on CNN by American Morning Anchor John Roberts. Here’s a partial transcript.

John Roberts: There’s another politician who’s in the race who’s made some changes, as well: Georgia Congressman Bob Barr. He was a faithful Republican, supported a lot of their conservative policies. Now he’s the leader of the Libertarian Party. They would have loved to have had you. You wouldn’t run as a Libertarian. Let’s listen to what Bob Barr told me back on May the 26th about his chances in this race.

Bob Barr [archived footage]: There are millions of voters out there that are not going to vote for Senator McCain and we aim to reach those voters with the message of smaller government and more individual liberty.

John Roberts: Congressman, what do you think of Bob Barr? Does he faithfully represent the values of the Libertarian Party?

Ron Paul: I think so. It doesn’t mean that you can look at his voting record like you look at mine and say there was never any infraction. That doesn’t mean that he can’t represent these values. He’s saying the things he should be saying. He’s joined the Libertarian Party and he presents these views and he talks our language. So I do really believe that he can have a very positive effect in this campaign and let the people know that limited government is a very, very important message and that people will have a chance. That gives everybody a choice in the matter.

Here’s the YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVw8LaeQX9A

 

[ryanmkeisling]

If he was dumb, he would be supporting the neocon Bob Barr. So I think your answer is 'no'.

+ 1,000,000,000,000

Let Barr work to become more than a talking head and prove he has changed, then I will reconsider. He is not going to come anywhere close to winning the presidency and Ron Paul has not endorsed Bob Barr aside from saying some nice things for obvious reasons. In fact he has J. Benton saying that despite being former colleagues and friends the relationship ends there. Do you think Ron Paul, being the principled man he is will cast a vote for Bob Barr? If yes why has he not said this and made a full endorsement?

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

The Revolution is split. too bad. TONES

 

[familydog]

Do you think Ron Paul, being the principled man he is will cast a vote for Bob Barr?

The million dollar question.

 

[ARealConservative]

The more you post the more people understand how unreasonable and political ignorant you are.

look at his post history - he talks about nothing but Bob Barr anymore.