AzNsOuLjAh27
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Bob Bar voted for the patriot act
Ron Paul speaks about Bob Barr:
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That is hard to take seriously whern you use "u."
Paul knows Barr isn't a libertarian and is triyng to be nice, to a greater degree than when he tries to point out what his supporters have in common with Obama supporters.
Paul knows Barr has a neocon voting record and a large number of libertarians cannot support Barr.
Politicains should only be judged by their actions, not their empty rhetoric.
Barr voted for the Patriot Act (twice)
Barr voted for the Iraq war, and is now an accessory to killing over 1 million people
Barr voted for no child left behind
Barr voted for the Iraq liberation act of 1998
Barr voted for the $159 billion medicare prescription drug bill
Barr voted for the Anti-Terrorism Act giving govt broadened surveillance powers
Barr voted to create the Department of Homeland Security
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OMG we have gone over his voting record like a million times!!!
I'll quote Rocky IV for my view on this:
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Changing one's rhetoric for an election isn't change, it is pandering.
Paul: ‘People will have a chance’ with Barr
June 12th, 2008 Posted in General | Edit |
…is the title of Emily Sherman’s article at CNNPolitics.com. Speculation of who Dr. Paul might throw his support behind has run rampant on the internet, despite his claims that he doesn’t intend to endorse anyone. But recent comments from the good doctor have shown that he is heartened by Barr’s run and hopes he does well in November.
Rep. Ron Paul had some words of praise for recently declared Libertarian presidential nominee Bob Barr Thursday, calling him a ‘very positive’ influence on the presidential race. Paul, who never officially ended his own Republican presidential bid, told American Morning Anchor John Roberts, “[Barr] talks our language, so I do really believe that he can have a very positive effect in this campaign and let the people know that limited government is a very, very important message.”
Echoing the principals he based his own presidential run on, the Texas congressman said Americans’ voices will be heard with Barr, and he “gives everybody a choice in the matter.”
Barr, who was a former four-term Republican congressman from Georgia, left the GOP to join the Libertarian Party in 2006 and officially won the its presidential nomination late last month.
This follows his recent statement to Neil Cavuto that “Bob Barr, I’m hopeful, will do a better job as a third-party candidate than average…”
June 12th, 2008 Posted in General | Edit |
…is the title of Emily Sherman’s article at CNNPolitics.com. Speculation of who Dr. Paul might throw his support behind has run rampant on the internet, despite his claims that he doesn’t intend to endorse anyone. But recent comments from the good doctor have shown that he is heartened by Barr’s run and hopes he does well in November.
Rep. Ron Paul had some words of praise for recently declared Libertarian presidential nominee Bob Barr Thursday, calling him a ‘very positive’ influence on the presidential race. Paul, who never officially ended his own Republican presidential bid, told American Morning Anchor John Roberts, “[Barr] talks our language, so I do really believe that he can have a very positive effect in this campaign and let the people know that limited government is a very, very important message.”
Echoing the principals he based his own presidential run on, the Texas congressman said Americans’ voices will be heard with Barr, and he “gives everybody a choice in the matter.”
Barr, who was a former four-term Republican congressman from Georgia, left the GOP to join the Libertarian Party in 2006 and officially won the its presidential nomination late last month.
This follows his recent statement to Neil Cavuto that “Bob Barr, I’m hopeful, will do a better job as a third-party candidate than average…”
This is one of the many reasons I can't imagine many people on here liking Barr.
Ron Paul is a Republican, so he can't outright endorse anyone in another party. But I would have to imagine that he would prefer Baldwin over Barr any day.
I know I do.
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You are acting like he changed his "rhetoric" a month ago to get the LP nomination. It was longer than that. Am I pandering to you people because I changed my opinion on alot of these issues about 2 years ago??? I belive he changed because obviously alot of LP members do too and i like what i have been hearing on TV.
Also, wouldn't he want to pander to the winning side? He obviously has no chance to win this year by pushing our agenda because we saw what happened to Ron Paul. I don't see any harm in any of this. He will get our message out to more Conservative and Moderate Republicans and hopefully bring them into the revolution. You do know we need those type of people to change their minds on things if we are ever going to win an election.
So go make your protest vote for Baldwin, Barr, or Write in Paul (it won't even get counted on election day) And move on!! The bickering about this is rediculous. We get it, some of you will never trust him or think Baldwin is a bible humper. Then don't vote for them!!! But if some of us are discussing them, why not just STFU and move on to the next thread instead of making a stink about how much you hate him when we already talked about it 1000000 times.
Changing political parties is pandering?
He hasn't changed any of his current rhetoric for his run, but indeed his views changed before this election.
If Barr is doing this as a "power" move, he is more of an idiot than anyone assumes of him.
I hope you support someone who advances Liberty, but please recognize that Barr's working to spread a message, not to gain political power.
You're right, so lets let him keep acting. If he's sincere, he'll succeed. If he's "pandering" he will certainly slip up eventually, either in words or action, at which point he should no longer be allowed to be a spokesman.
Bob Barr's 'yes' vote to the Patriot Act gave him the opportunity to put in the Sunset provisions for it expiring every 5 years unless voted upon. If he voted 'no' there would be no such provisions and it would be permanent.
He began speaking out against the Patriot Act's unconstitutional provisions. He testified against it in 2005 when it came up for re-vote due to the sunset clause that he himself put into it.
Until Barr does or says something that gives me a reason not to believe him on his transformation I will support him. He is getting main stream press touting Ron Paul's limited government, non-interventionist, libertarian philosophies. He is spreading the message to new minds. To me that is the most important thing right now and that is why I fully support his candidacy.
His votes of five years ago don't matter a lick to me as long as he continually publicly denounces them and preaches liberty to all he comes in contact with today. This is the reasonable and pragmatic approach to spreading the message.
Those purists looking at every candidate through Ron Paul colored glasses will be left dejected and defeated every time. Maybe they are gluttons for punishment and enjoy it. I don't know. I prefer to be positive and hopeful. Bob Barr gives me that hope.
Those saying he can't win... well you are probably right and that is more reason for you to support him. If he can't win then what do his previous votes even matter? The fact is he is pimping the liberty message every where he goes. What is wrong with that?
Enjoy.
He began speaking out against the Patriot Act's unconstitutional provisions. He testified against it in 2005 when it came up for re-vote due to the sunset clause that he himself put into it.
Until Barr does or says something that gives me a reason not to believe him on his transformation I will support him. He is getting main stream press touting Ron Paul's limited government, non-interventionist, libertarian philosophies. He is spreading the message to new minds. To me that is the most important thing right now and that is why I fully support his candidacy.
His votes of five years ago don't matter a lick to me as long as he continually publicly denounces them and preaches liberty to all he comes in contact with today. This is the reasonable and pragmatic approach to spreading the message.
Those purists looking at every candidate through Ron Paul colored glasses will be left dejected and defeated every time. Maybe they are gluttons for punishment and enjoy it. I don't know. I prefer to be positive and hopeful. Bob Barr gives me that hope.
Those saying he can't win... well you are probably right and that is more reason for you to support him. If he can't win then what do his previous votes even matter? The fact is he is pimping the liberty message every where he goes. What is wrong with that?
Enjoy.
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Hahahaha!
They played the YouTube clip of the New Hampshire rally. I saw that "Nine Neocon Warhawks" sign and I was like, I know that clip!
Ron said Barr was alright, despite the "infractions" in his voting record.
Oh, and Roberts called him "Congressman Call" at the end.
They played the YouTube clip of the New Hampshire rally. I saw that "Nine Neocon Warhawks" sign and I was like, I know that clip!
Ron said Barr was alright, despite the "infractions" in his voting record.
Oh, and Roberts called him "Congressman Call" at the end.
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When Ron was asked if he'd endorse Baldwin or Barr, he seemed a little warmer towards Barr, in my honest opinion--he said that Barr was a good candidate, but "Chuck is a friend of mine, and he has done a tremendous amount of work for my campaign".
I could be wrong, but if Paul was to drop out, I bet he'd endorse Baldwin.
If Paul endorsed Baldwin, what would all you Barrian supporters do?
I could be wrong, but if Paul was to drop out, I bet he'd endorse Baldwin.
If Paul endorsed Baldwin, what would all you Barrian supporters do?
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I'll ask Paull today who he thinks Lew Rockwell would vote for if he will vote at all, which he won't. It will be a good hypothetical get get him to talk perhaps.
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Do you have a link to the video?
If Ron Paul endorses Chuck Baldwin I will still support and vote for Bob Barr. Much like many here who would never endorse Barr even if Ron Paul endorses him.
I've said it before. I believe Paul has tacitly endorsed both Barr and Baldwin with his media comments. Although he's spoken mostly about Barr more recently. Likely because that is the candidate he is asked about from the MSM.
Enjoy.
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I got the opposite impression. He was polite and deflected what is meant by "consider."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5YaqKf-yTg
"SOME ARE LEERY"
No kidding.
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He's referring to this I think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5YaqKf-yTg
Paul isn't going to endorse anyone. Aside from alienating a large number of his supporters, an endorsement of any third party candidate would likely cause the GOP to pull his committee credentials. We need to have the good Doctor up there on that soap box speaking truth to power.
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