Ron Paul Should Move to New Hampshire for the Free State Project

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I meant to say border locked.

Georgia isn't the best state but I cannot just get up and move. Where I live it is pretty rural so its not too bad. And that is another disadvantage with New England, high population density.

Those northern states like Wyoming and Montana would be the best choices for the FSP, imo.

New Hampshire is currently the freest state. The question is how long that will hold up.

What question? It's getting freer every year. The only question is, is how far will NH outpace the rest of the country...scratch that..the question is, what state other than NH is moving in the right direction? ZERO.

Also, VT, ME, and NH, have some of the lowest population density in the entire country. The only state that really compares to them are places like Wyoming and Alaska.
Here are the population statistics in case you are wondering (NH borders VT and ME by the way):

NH - 1,300,000
VT - 626,000
ME - 1,300,000

Now:

GA - 10,000,000
SC - 4,600,000
FL - 19,000,000

As far as Wyoming and Montana go...sure, but if you can't even get people to move to NH how in the hell are you going to get people to move to Wyoming or Montana!

 

[erowe1]

As far as Wyoming and Montana go...sure, but if you can't even get people to move to NH how in the hell are you going to get people to move to Wyoming or Montana!

A lot of Ron Paul friendly people are doing it.
http://www.survivalblog.com/redoubt.html

 

[fr33]

Well, they prefer to live near you.

NY to TX - 16,000
MA to TX - 7,000
PA to TX - 7,000
CA to TX - 70,000

NY to NH - 2,400
MA to NH - 13,000
PA to NH - 674
CA to NH - 1,700

(Most people in VT and ME stick to themselves...so little population so little density...lots of wilderness and COLD/Mountains, etc.)

http://www.census.gov/hhes/migration/

Again, it should be noted, most of the North East, at least NH, VT, and ME, has very little population and tons and tons of wilderness.

I can't blame them. I'd want to move here to. Still theyve got a lot of moving to do in order to chase me east

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

A lot of Ron Paul friendly people are doing it.
http://www.survivalblog.com/redoubt.html

Can you back up, or define, a lot?

As far as I remember, there is a Free State Wyoming and only a handful of people moved, and within that handful only one is even active. So....yeah. Like I said, the pitch for NH is a lot easier than MT and WY, especially since it isn't like MT or WY is more-liberty oriented than NH is.

 

[erowe1]

Can you back up, or define, a lot?

As far as I remember, there is a Free State Wyoming and only a handful of people moved, and within that handful only one is even active. So....yeah. Like I said, the pitch for NH is a lot easier than MT and WY, especially since it isn't like MT or WY is more-liberty oriented than NH is.

I'm not sure how much it is. I don't know if it compares at all with FSP. But the survivalist movement is significant in size, at least in comparison to the populations of those states. And Rawles is easily the most influential person in it. It's not uncommon to see people on various survival websites talking about moving to that area.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I'm not sure how much it is. I don't know if it compares at all with FSP. But the survivalist movement is significant in size, at least in comparison to the populations of those states. And Rawles is easily the most influential person in it. It's not uncommon to see people on various survival websites talking about moving to that area.

Right, but survivalist does not equal libertarian necessarily. Also, various people is a far cry from a lot. Now, that said, I've no bones against FSW or anyone planning on something like that for MT, but let's be honest here...if we haven't even reached 20,000 yet for NH (we'll get there, don't worry), what makes you think you can even get 5,000 to MT or WY in the next thirty years let alone ten?

 

[erowe1]

Right, but survivalist does not equal libertarian necessarily. Also, various people is a far cry from a lot. Now, that said, I've no bones against FSW or anyone planning on something like that for MT, but let's be honest here...if we haven't even reached 20,000 yet for NH (we'll get there, don't worry), what makes you think you can even get 5,000 to MT or WY in the next thirty years let alone ten?

I wouldn't say that we can. But I think the native population there is naturally more libertarian than the rest of the country to begin with. And for a lot of people the arguments for moving away from population-dense parts of the country are persuasive. People who fear chaos in urban and suburban areas, and people who just want to be left alone, homesteading, living off the grid, or something close to that, will be much more drawn to the inland Northwest.

I'm not picking sides here, and I think FSP is a worthy project.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

I've got nothing against survivalists but they typically don't do much activism. They seem to be the hunker down types or the defeatist ones in which case they don't actively contribute very much to the cause of liberty besides helping the economy with respect to purchasing survival gear.

 

[erowe1]

I've got nothing against survivalists but they typically don't do much activism. They seem to be the hunker down types or the defeatist ones in which case they don't actively contribute very much to the cause of liberty besides helping the economy with respect to purchasing survival gear.

There's something to that.

But in a sinking ship, there's a time for bailing out water, and there's a time for abandoning ship. To me, figuring out which is which isn't easy.

 

[fr33]

I've got nothing against survivalists but they typically don't do much activism. They seem to be the hunker down types or the defeatist ones in which case they don't actively contribute very much to the cause of liberty besides helping the economy with respect to purchasing survival gear.

I'm not a true survivalist but I do think a "SHTF" episode could happen in my lifetime where being close to large cities is a huge problem if that were to happen.

I also think a movement like the free state project should be located in an area that offers more self sufficiency than NH offers. There's hardly any agriculture in NH. If a "SHTF" moment occurs, there's not enough food available. You're at the mercy of clogged highways and shipping companies. Plus agriculture is how I make a living and switching professions just isn't what I want to do because it's more of a lifestyle than a job.

ON TOPIC: Yes I do think if Ron Paul bought a house in NH and joined the FSP it would be so awesome and he would have a huge positive effect on the movement. Imagine; Ron Paul unleashed from parties and politics and able to talk more about voluntarism...

 

[Anti Federalist]

I'm not a true survivalist but I do think a "SHTF" episode could happen in my lifetime where being close to large cities is a huge problem if that were to happen.

I also think a movement like the free state project should be located in an area that offers more self sufficiency than NH offers. There's hardly any agriculture in NH. If a "SHTF" moment occurs, there's not enough food available. You're at the mercy of clogged highways and shipping companies. Plus agriculture is how I make a living and switching professions just isn't what I want to do because it's more of a lifestyle than a job.

ON TOPIC: Yes I do think if Ron Paul bought a house in NH and joined the FSP it would be so awesome and he would have a huge positive effect on the movement. Imagine; Ron Paul unleashed from parties and politics and able to talk more about voluntarism...

Que?

All my beef, eggs, milk, and about half my produce is bought local.

 

[WilliamShrugged]

I would love if he did that. Would add to the awesomeness that is NH

 

[CaseyJones]

whats the deal with property and mineral rights in New Hampshire cause in Texas per our state constitution when you buy property you automatically own everything below and above

 

[Wren]

I would automatically move to NH if Ron Paul was elected governor there. That would be so awesome.

 

[Philosophy_of_Politics]

Winter and Freedom vs. Slavery

I choose shitty weather.

 

[seyferjm]

Montana would be awesome as well, but from what I know their economy isn't as good as NH. And honestly, the best part of the state is way far west and NW where the cities are quite small. Not hating on either state, as I'd move to either of them in a heartbeat if I could.

 

[Anti Federalist]

whats the deal with property and mineral rights in New Hampshire cause in Texas per our state constitution when you buy property you automatically own everything below and above

That's what my deed says, first dated and "granted" in 1763. The rock wall is still in place.

Full mineral rights.

And there is gold in NH.

 

[muzzled dogg]

Lol didn't Maine have 3,500 Ron Paul votes and nh have like 70,000?

 

[Wren]

Lol didn't Maine have 3,500 Ron Paul votes and nh have like 70,000?

Primary State vs Maine caucus which lasts a week

 

[muzzled dogg]

And? Nh as the first in the nation primary state matters way more as much as federal politics are concerned