Ron Paul! Ron Paul! Protesters LOUDLY chanting near main Bilderberg conference room

[Anti Federalist]

The Free State Project is one that I ardently support and hope to join soon.

I'd be proud to shake your hand and be the first to welcome you to NH when you do.

 

[donnay]

The guy in the tank top sounds like this.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Making enough noise to be heard, then people take notice. This also forces the Presstitutes (Controlled Corporate Media) to report it. Alex is screaming about most of the attendees inside who are American are violating the Logan Act. These meetings held have foreign dignitaries, Corporate big wigs, and U.S. Military/government servants conspiring behind closed doors our futures. Ten years ago when anyone mentioned the Bilderberg Conference, they were dismissed out-of-hand as a conspiracy kook. Now that the light is shining on these cockroaches, they try to make it look ohhh so innocent. If they were innocent, there would be full transparency and anyone would be allowed to sit in on their meetings.

+rep for post and for use of George Carlin clip

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Why must it always be an all/nothing proposition?

Street action and political activism.

Street action and alternative media are one of the primary ways around the firewall of corporate/government media.

That's why I donate time and money to the Pauls, and Gunny and Kokesh, to name a few.

What I do NOT do is wander into every thread that has the "name _________" in it and complain and whine about how worthless "name ________" is, and how supporters of "name ________" are all fucked up and doing it all wrong and making us all look bad.

Amen

+ fucking rep

 

[Lothario]

What exactly is this supposed to accomplish?

The actual protesting is likely doing nothing...sure they're getting some coverage from Russia Today News, but let's be serious, these are the most powerful people in the world. Nobody can touch them...they are the boss of the boss of your boss's boss...they own everything, and more importantly, control everything, but hey, it's nice to feel like you are doing something. How do you REALLY make a difference? Get rid of the government, and overnight they've become virtually powerless, powerless to control, powerless to regulate, powerless to restrict competition.

The Globalist are furious!

riiiight...

At least Alex is in Virginia actively protesting. How much have you protested this year?

This type of "argument" is getting so old...it's everywhere...and it's just as logically invalid as it's always been since the beginning of time. Inevitably, this "oh yea!? well I don't see you doing it!" argument is always whipped out in place of actual intelligent reasoning. You can still disagree...it would just be nice to do so somewhat intelligently.

 

[Anti Federalist]

How do you REALLY make a difference? Get rid of the government, and overnight they've become virtually powerless, powerless to control, powerless to regulate, powerless to restrict competition.

Well, gee whiz, what the hell are you doing here?

Go, take care of that, posthaste.

 

[donnay]

The actual protesting is likely doing nothing...sure they're getting some coverage from Russia Today News, but let's be serious, these are the most powerful people in the world. Nobody can touch them...they are the boss of the boss of your boss's boss...they own everything, and more importantly, control everything, but hey, it's nice to feel like you are doing something. How do you REALLY make a difference? Get rid of the government, and overnight they've become virtually powerless, powerless to control, powerless to regulate, powerless to restrict competition.



riiiight...



This type of "argument" is getting so old...it's everywhere...and it's just as logically invalid as it's always been since the beginning of time. Inevitably, this "oh yea!? well I don't see you doing it!" argument is always whipped out in place of actual intelligent reasoning. You can still disagree...it would just be nice to do so somewhat intelligently.

I wasn't arguing. I simply asked a question. I can tell you just how many times I have protested in this year, why is that so hard to answer? Which ensued an argument over pissing.

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."
~Thomas Jefferson

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."
~Thomas Jefferson

 

[MelissaWV]

Why must it always be an all/nothing proposition?

Street action and political activism.

Street action and alternative media are one of the primary ways around the firewall of corporate/government media.

That's why I donate time and money to the Pauls, and Gunny and Kokesh, to name a few.

What I do NOT do is wander into every thread that has the "name _________" in it and complain and whine about how worthless "name ________" is, and how supporters of "name ________" are all fucked up and doing it all wrong and making us all look bad.

1. I was responding to the posts stating that it is utterly useless to worth with Government, and thank heavens the Founders didn't try to work with the British, and whatnot. You might want to discuss this with those folks.

2. I didn't say anyone was all fucked up, doing something wrong, or making us look bad. I do think that public protests with any sort of celebrity or "leader" are usually filmed so that the celebrity or leader can use the footage. It doesn't matter what the protest is about.

3. I don't personally protest. If you can point to somewhere that I called someone a name for doing so, or sneered at them, please do so and I will remedy my erroneous post. Now, please see if you can locate any time in this thread where someone was essentially rolling their eyes at me for suggesting we so much as dip a toe into getting people elected.

~Where all the white women at? -Blazing Saddles
~He hates these cans! -The Jerk
~Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. -Thomas Jefferson

 

[Lothario]

Well, gee whiz, what the hell are you doing here?

Go, take care of that, posthaste.

Lol, well that sounds easy, what am I missing? Do I just go lobby Washington to pass a law for no government? Is that what you've been doing posthaste to get Ron Paul in office?

Burning down a church doesn't make all the parishioners atheists. Society-wide ideological changes take time, and at 32,000+ posts, it's something I'd hope you are aware of...

 

[Anti Federalist]

~Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. -Thomas Jefferson

I was going to respond, but just found that quote too apropos.

Now, where was I?

Oh yes, my response was elicited only because of your question as to why somebody like me, that is fairly convinced that this mess will not be solved, nor our freedoms restored, at the ballot box, would hang around.

Let me quote Jefferson this time:

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince government whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant Tyranny, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

 

[Anti Federalist]

And at 457 posts, I guess I can give you a pass on not recognizing that "obvious statement is obvious".

Lol, well that sounds easy, what am I missing? Do I just go lobby Washington to pass a law for no government? Is that what you've been doing posthaste to get Ron Paul in office?

Burning down a church doesn't make all the parishioners atheists. Society-wide ideological changes take time, and at 32,000+ posts, it's something I'd hope you are aware of...

 

[Lothario]

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."
~Thomas Jefferson

The argument isn't over too much liberty...in my opinion, there can be no such thing. The question has always been, how do we achieve liberty, and the question I would pose with regard to protesting elite globalists is: "is what you are doing having any affect whatsoever on liberty. What specific evidence are you looking at to determine whether your actions are effective or ineffective? Is there any result at all that would lead you to believe your actions have been ineffective?"

 

[Lothario]

Well, gee whiz, what the hell are you doing here?

Go, take care of that, posthaste.

And at 457 posts, I guess I can give you a pass on not recognizing that "obvious statement is obvious".

Haha, well I'm sorry, but with your experience, I can't afford you that same pass in regard to the irony of the original request...

 

[MelissaWV]

I was going to respond, but just found that quote too apropos.

Now, where was I?

Oh yes, my response was elicited only because of your question as to why somebody like me, that is fairly convinced that this mess will not be solved, nor our freedoms restored, at the ballot box, would hang around.

Let me quote Jefferson this time:

Ah... well I did respond to Vessol later that I should have phrased it differently. I did not go back and edit my original because that'd be cheating (if someone was already going to respond). It's not those who disagree with the voting and such that are an issue. It's more the attitude of thinking that those working to change Government are almost too stupid for words. This after a few exchanges where protesting was lauded as being great because it might make the MSM take notice... idk it's just enough to make me shake my head. If I weren't Christian, and I walked into a church, I doubt I'd spend my time telling people there that God is a fairy tale and they're wasting their time. I might think it, and I might only be there for another reason, and I might convey that very message outside of church, but being there where there's a defined "Mission Statement" and being dismissive of those who are adhering to it... seems like a peculiar thing to do.

Anyhow, yeah, I think that Jefferson quote about playing ball is funny

ETA:

Your Jefferson quote, btw, does show that petitions were made. While they were ultimately unsuccessful on their face, even in petitioning one learns the extent of an enemy's plans and the lengths they will go to, to silence opposition. It can also expose many weaknesses. The British had one that bit them squarely in the buttcheeks: the French.

 

[donnay]

The argument isn't over too much liberty...in my opinion, there can be no such thing. The question has always been, how do we achieve liberty, and the question I would pose with regard to protesting elite globalists is: "is what you are doing having any affect whatsoever on liberty. What specific evidence are you looking at to determine whether your actions are effective?"

Exposing these criminals are key. Jones has been doing it for years. Ron Paul has been doing it for years. The Birchers have been doing it for years. Once people begin to wake up and understand they have the power to take it back, then and only then, will we be able to move forward. I have personally seen a Sea-change, the tide is turning and the criminals know it. They will never voluntarily give up their power, but exposing them makes them less powerful and easier to take down without one shot fired.

 

[Lothario]

Exposing these criminals are key. Jones has been doing it for years. Ron Paul has been doing it for years. The Birchers have been doing it for years. Once people begin to wake up and understand they have the power to take it back, then and only then, will we be able to move forward. I have personally seen a Sea-change, the tide is turning and the criminals know it. They will never voluntarily give up their power, but exposing them makes them less powerful and easier to take down without one shot fired.

Right, and I appreciate a lot of what Alex Jones does. But with regard to the protesting, can you give me an example of a possible outcome that would convince you your actions have been ineffective?

What I mean is this, in the free market, a company has limited resources, and if the company doesn't allocate it's resources (including time) in the most efficient and effective way possible, it risks bankruptcy. Good companies, therefore, have specific, predefined statistics they monitor to determine if what they're doing is working, or if their resources could and should be better allocated elsewhere. So, what specific results from your protesting, IF they occurred, would convince you that there are better ways to allocate your resources? Or in other words, how are you specifically judging the success, and more importantly the failure, of all this protesting? Are there more effective ways besides protesting that everyone could use to expose the globalist criminals, or is protesting the most effective means to accomplish the exposition...and what results justify your answer? See what I mean...just trying to jog some deeper thinking about the actions than whatever 'pissing matches' were being discussed on the previous page.

 

[donnay]

Live WAC Video stream:

http://www.ustream.tv/wearechange

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Live WAC Video stream:

http://www.ustream.tv/wearechange

Thanks for posting

 

[Supernaut]

Someone should tell Ron Paul... or Rand... or Thomas Massie... or Liberty Forest (which started out quite entwined with Ron's 2008 campaign)... or Gunny... or Amash... or Medina... or even Kokesh.

I've often wondered, over the years, how people so hateful and unhappy with the process find their way to a forum designed to work to get people elected. I'm even more confused as to why they stay.

Please feel free to rub it in my face whenever politicians like Rand Paul, Jim Demint, Ted Cruz, or Thomas Massie bring liberty to this country. But until then, I'm going to continue to support Alex Jones or anyone else who practices dissent, protest, and civil disobedience.

 

[Domalais]

How is megaphoning Bilderburg "guarding our liberty"?

How to pretend you do something, conspiracy theorist edition:

1. Make an outrageous claim

2. Spread it far and wide across the many tubes of the interwebs

3. Profit from web traffic

4. The thing you claimed doesn't happen

5. Claim that your reporting it stopped it from happening

6. Repeat