Ron Paul, Romney, or Principles of Liberty?

[UtahApocalypse]

Seeing many here cheerleading the fact that we need to start standing with the GOP and support Romney if he is the Nominee. They are defending endorsements of him, and possible endorsements as political moves. So I ask the following:

Are you with; Ron Paul, the GOP, or The Principles of Liberty.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Seeing many here cheerleading the fact that we need to start standing with the GOP and support Romney if he is the Nominee. They are defending endorsements of him, and possible endorsements as political moves. So I ask the following:

Are you with; Ron Paul, the GOP, or The Principles of Liberty.

I'm with the Principles of Liberty, and I reject those who are not (and/or endorse those who are not)

 

[moostraks]

I'm with the Principles of Liberty, and I reject those who are not (and/or endorse those who are not)

agreed...

I cannot agree with the go along to get along because just like living with a wife beater, they aren't going to stop beating you because you try to pacify them, they just become more ridiculous in their attempts to prove how it is your fault they behave that way.

 

[CaptUSA]

I fully understand continuing to work within the GOP - I think this is our best shot.

However, I don't think that means I have to support Romney.

I'm with the Principles of Liberty. I think the best way to achieve this is to continue to build on the gains we have made. Barring a complete collapse, I think this is the only option.

 

[cajuncocoa]

agreed...

I cannot agree with the go along to get along because just like living with a wife beater, they aren't going to stop beating you because you try to pacify them, they just become more ridiculous in their attempts to prove how it is your fault they behave that way.

+rep for best analogy I've heard with regard to this in a long time.

 

[Icymudpuppy]

I've already abandoned the GOP.

 

[sunsense]

I've already abandoned the GOP.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?387081-Don-t-give-up-get-energized-and-involved


Personally, I will vote my conscience. Especially after all the cheating at all the primaries, the RNC attempt to change the 5 plurality to 10 (failed). But then removing various States, including Maine's, delegates to reduce Ron Paul's states to below 5.

As I see it, Obama and Romney are Two opposite sides of the big Government coin. Two sides of evil and control. The only difference I can make out is Obama is in bed with the unions and Romney is in bed with the large corporate companies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWDJEc92d38

Oh yes. The statements that Romneys team are bending over backwards is a total joke. Actions speak louder than words and they really think they, or the Ron Paul team, can be fool us by a few obvious, concessions to get our vote, is particularly offensive and pathetic.

 

[DeMintConservative]

If you believe it's impossible to be with the Principles of Liberty and simultaneously vote for Romney, then stop caring about the GOP. Most likely a major party isn't for you. Just accept that and move on.

 

[sunsense]

If you believe it's impossible to be with the Principles of Liberty and simultaneously vote for Romney, then stop caring about the GOP. Most likely a major party isn't for you. Just accept that and move on.

Don't worry RINO. We are going to replace you.

 

[sailingaway]

I missed a thread where people were saying 'we must now fall in line with Romney?'

link?

 

[sailingaway]

If you believe it's impossible to be with the Principles of Liberty and simultaneously vote for Romney, then stop caring about the GOP. Most likely a major party isn't for you. Just accept that and move on.

LOL!

That isn't how you CHANGE a party.

 

[LibertyEagle]

If you believe it's impossible to be with the Principles of Liberty and simultaneously vote for Romney, then stop caring about the GOP. Most likely a major party isn't for you. Just accept that and move on.

What are you talking about? Political parties are inanimate objects. Why would I "care" about it? I have been registered as a Republican all my life, but it is a tool and nothing more than a tool.

I want my country back. To the extent that the GOP can be helpful in doing that, great. But, liberty is my goal.

How about you?

 

[LibertyEagle]

I fully understand continuing to work within the GOP - I think this is our best shot.

However, I don't think that means I have to support Romney.

I'm with the Principles of Liberty. I think the best way to achieve this is to continue to build on the gains we have made. Barring a complete collapse, I think this is the only option.

+1

My gag reflex prohibits my ability to vote for Romney or Obama.

 

[DeMintConservative]

What are you talking about? Political parties are inanimate objects. Why would I "care" about it? I have been registered as a Republican all my life, but it is a tool and nothing more than a tool.

I want my country back. To the extent that the GOP can be helpful in doing that, great. But, liberty is my goal.

How about you?

Could you take a look at the Justin Amash endorsement thread? I've been writing about the same issue there, so I'd be repeating myself here. Let me know if what I write there answers your doubts.

 

[DeMintConservative]

LOL!

That isn't how you CHANGE a party.

Of course it is.

You can't change people if they perceive you as hostile to them.

It amazes me the naivete of believing you can afford to not support any GOP candidate except the handful you really like but that the other Republican will keep supporting your candidates and welcome you into the club.

This is bizarrely self-delusional.

 

[tsai3904]

Our supporters have taken over the Iowa and Nevada GOPs and the establishment type are livid. The Romney campaign had to set up a separate organization for their campaign in Nevada, which is unheard of. In Iowa, the establishment supporters absolutely hate the Iowa GOP and all the Paul supporters in leadership positions. Just take a look at the comments in these articles:

h ttp://theiowarepublican.com/2012/tampa-update-iowa-gop-still-focused-on-ron-paul/
h ttp://theiowarepublican.com/2012/sponsor-the-iowa-delegation-to-the-republican-national-convention-for-only-25000/

I'm surprised some people want to just give everything we've won back to the establishment and let them gloat over our loss. They would love nothing more for us to leave the party because they know we are making an influence.

 

[tsai3904]

Of course it is.

You can't change people if they perceive you as hostile to them.

It amazes me the naivete of believing you can afford to not support any GOP candidate except the handful you really like but that the other Republican will keep supporting your candidates and welcome you into the club.

This is bizarrely self-delusional.

I have to agree. When Kerry Bentivolio won his primary and Cassis refused to endorse him, many of us were pretty upset. We can't expect them to support our candidates if we never return the favor. The empty blanket support of the winner after primaries is just rhetoric and something our supporters should understand doesn't mean much to us but means the world to the establishment who live by party loyalty.

 

[Brett85]

Of course it is.

You can't change people if they perceive you as hostile to them.

It amazes me the naivete of believing you can afford to not support any GOP candidate except the handful you really like but that the other Republican will keep supporting your candidates and welcome you into the club.

This is bizarrely self-delusional.

I understand where you're coming from, and have agreed with that sentiment in the past. And I do think that Romney would be an improvement over Obama. However, some of us can't vote for Romney due to conscience reasons. In my case, I'm very concerned about Romney's statement about how he'll attack Iran without even getting approval from Congress. I certainly don't want to undermine Romney or the party in any way, but how am I supposed to continually vote against what my conscience says?

 

[NCGOPer_for_Paul]

A lot of us are in leadership positions in our local Republican parties. Nothing, other than my extreme dislike and genuine fear of Obama, can make me vote for Romney (I am truly undecided between Johnson, Goode, and Romney). However, there are strong liberty-minded Republicans in races in Charlotte and North Carolina, and I will be working my ass off for them. If that helps Romney too, so be it.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Of course it is.

You can't change people if they perceive you as hostile to them.

It amazes me the naivete of believing you can afford to not support any GOP candidate except the handful you really like but that the other Republican will keep supporting your candidates and welcome you into the club.

This is bizarrely self-delusional.

I understand what you are getting at. I mean, I voted for Ted Cruz and some others in the state that I had some reservations about. But, if I flat out knew the Republican stunk, I didn't vote for them. Supporting the conservatives and not, the others, is one way to inform the party what we want. To just go along and vote for any 'ol trash is what seems "bizarrely self-delusional" to me.