Ron Paul Quotes Jesus, Conservatives Outraged

[familydog]

Politics are precisely the exact thing that will either make or break a civilization. It is incredibly lame when people like you pretend that there is any other option.

Pretend? What an odd word choice. We've been waiting a couple hundred years for politics to "make civilization." Please, tell me how much longer do I need to wait? Otherwise, it isn't me that is pretending.

The only outcome of politics is obscuring blatant acts of murder and other forms of aggression. This whole brouhaha is case and point.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

You aren't a purist. You are a Ron Paul accolade and nothing more. You have put another human being on a pedestal and judged him as perfect and then measure everyone against that. The problem with that is Ron Paul is not perfect; no human being is. Yet, you close your eyes to those imperfections that Klamath and others have pointed out. No one wanted to point out Dr. Paul's imperfections, but those of you who have been setting Ron up as a god and by comparison, claiming that Rand is satan, have caused it.

The fact is that we need both philosophers like Ron and we need implementers like Rand, Thomas Massie, Justin Amash and hopefully, many, many more to come. It seems more than foolish (not to mention, suspect) at this point in time for some to spend so much time trying to destroy one of our own, when the bad guys are on the other side of the field.



If you are not engaged in political action, who do you think will know of your drawn line, or even care? If you don't participate, do you honestly believe TPTB care about you one iota? No, they do not.

I'm all for not forgetting our principles. I agree that is critical. But, I also understand that we have to break through the propaganda that so many Americans have been infused with. Messaging is critical to achieve that and that messaging is not directed at you; it is directed at those who aren't yet with us.



False. I have called you out for your trolling behavior, because you have run around here misconstruing Rand's words and flat out lying about him. No one cares that you don't like him. But, you have made it your mission in life to do what you can to turn anyone and everyone against him, by any means possible. And that is the behavior of a troll.

This is the biggest load of tripe I've ever read on this site.

No one has called Rand "satan". Folks have pointed out where his rhetoric has stood in direct contradiction to a fundamental principle of the liberty movement - non-interventionism. THIS IS SOMETHING DEARLY IMPORTANT TO SOME OF US; you have gotten the response from us that you have because you dismiss it. We're allowed to express our opinion about this. We're allowed to say that it is utterly out of whack with our principles.

None of us regard Ron as "god". That's idiotic. Ron, however, does get a little bit more benefit of the doubt from us, because of the years he has proven himself. Rand does not have the track record, so our concerns become considerably more amplified.

Honestly. To hell with this stupidity... it isn't even worth trying to explain it to you people...

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Politics are precisely the exact thing that will either make or break a civilization. It is incredibly lame when people like you pretend that there is any other option.

In what sense? You don't need to have any elected officials whatsoever to have a civilization-and most civilizations haven't done the elections thing. To the extent they have, it's usually just a token gesture the Ruling Class allows us mundanes to placate us for another cycle.

 

[Number19]

I see it differently. We purists will be here doing what we always have (staying true to our principles) while you will have adapted and innovated, won some elections, and wondered why, after those victories at the ballot box, everything has stayed pretty much the same as it was before.

Bottom line: we're not going to win this through political means. That doesn't mean you have to give up politics if that's what you want to do, but there HAS to be a growing group of principled purists who will draw a line in the sand and refuse to cross it (and will refuse to vote for those who do). The only thing those political types understand is getting elected and re-elected. There will have to be an ever-growing populace who will JUST SAY NO when they even think about putting a toe across that line.

If it is your calling to get those political types set up for election, go for it. But please stop chastising those of us "purists" when we insist on holding their feet to the fire. THAT is what will bring about liberty in our lifetime, if it is meant to be.

This is what Republican insiders/elites are scared senseless over. Just how strong has the liberty movement grown? Hillary will be the Democrat candidate in four years. Is there any candidate the Republicans can put up who can defeat her - without the support of the liberty movement? This is why Ron continues to be attacked - an attempt to drive a wedge in the movement. And this is why Rand will be supported by neo-tea partiers like Hannity. But Rand is unlikely to be supported by beltway Republicans and is unlikely to be the Republican candidate. Four years is a long time, but right now I'm saying Hillary will be our next president - and this possibility scares the RNC.

Someone earlier quoted Albert Jay Nock, who also said that social change only occurs during times of extreme duress. By and large, Americans are relatively "happy". We are no where near the stress levels required for a major paradigm shift.

But it is the purists who have the strength of belief to carry the torch for the decades of highs and lows that has been, and will continue to be, necessary.

Stay the course.

 

[cajuncocoa]

This is the biggest load of tripe I've ever read on this site.

No one has called Rand "satan". Folks have pointed out where his rhetoric has stood in direct contradiction to a fundamental principle of the liberty movement - non-interventionism. THIS IS SOMETHING DEARLY IMPORTANT TO SOME OF US; you have gotten the response from us that you have because you dismiss it. We're allowed to express our opinion about this. We're allowed to say that it is utterly out of whack with our principles.

None of us regard Ron as "god". That's idiotic. Ron, however, does get a little bit more benefit of the doubt from us, because of the years he has proven himself. Rand does not have the track record, so our concerns become considerably more amplified.

Honestly. To hell with this stupidity... it isn't even worth trying to explain it to you people...

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to A Son of Liberty again.

 

[idiom]

In what sense? You don't need to have any elected officials whatsoever to have a civilization-and most civilizations haven't done the elections thing. To the extent they have, it's usually just a token gesture the Ruling Class allows us mundanes to placate us for another cycle.

You don't need elected officials to have politics.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Found it

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...tter-Account&p=4856987&viewfull=1#post4856987

I should have known...

 

[Anti Federalist]

America is a bloated, blasted heath of bloodshed and whoredoms. The majority of Americans call darkness light and evil good. The problem the message has is that its hard to help the willingly deaf hear or the purposely blind see. As the scriptures testify the wicked take the truth to be hard.

+rep for the imagery alone.

 

[LibertyEagle]

This is the biggest load of tripe I've ever read on this site.

No one has called Rand "satan". Folks have pointed out where his rhetoric has stood in direct contradiction to a fundamental principle of the liberty movement - non-interventionism. THIS IS SOMETHING DEARLY IMPORTANT TO SOME OF US; you have gotten the response from us that you have because you dismiss it. We're allowed to express our opinion about this. We're allowed to say that it is utterly out of whack with our principles.

None of us regard Ron as "god". That's idiotic. Ron, however, does get a little bit more benefit of the doubt from us, because of the years he has proven himself. Rand does not have the track record, so our concerns become considerably more amplified.

Honestly. To hell with this stupidity... it isn't even worth trying to explain it to you people...

I don't dismiss anything about Rand. I don't like several of the things he has said. Nor do I particularly like his vote on that one Iran sanction. But, I also do take note of the other sanctions he has voted against, his stand on NDAA and so very many good things. Frankly, he has been working his ass off and whether you admit it or not, he has done a lot to bring down the drawbridges in Republicans minds to start hearing both Ron and Rand. I have seen it myself. I just hope that stupid tweet last night doesn't roll us backwards again.

I understand that you don't think Rand's perfect. He's not. And I totally understand when you call him out for something that you don't agree with. There is not a thing wrong with that, in fact it is necessary. But, that is different than the few who have made it their mission in life to flit from thread to thread making sarcastic comments about Rand, misconstruing his words, and downright lying about him. I have not seen you do that. But, I have, Cajun, and on numerous occasions.

I just want to give Rand a chance and the way things stand now, this forum sometimes comes off like the home of his worst enemies.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Soooo...has there been any comment from Ron?

Possibly about the message not sent by him and he disagrees with it?

Or has the original message been deleted?

Or are we all in agreement that he made the comment and stands by it?

I haven't been following this all day...

 

[moostraks]

This is the biggest load of tripe I've ever read on this site.

No one has called Rand "satan". Folks have pointed out where his rhetoric has stood in direct contradiction to a fundamental principle of the liberty movement - non-interventionism. THIS IS SOMETHING DEARLY IMPORTANT TO SOME OF US; you have gotten the response from us that you have because you dismiss it. We're allowed to express our opinion about this. We're allowed to say that it is utterly out of whack with our principles.

None of us regard Ron as "god". That's idiotic. Ron, however, does get a little bit more benefit of the doubt from us, because of the years he has proven himself. Rand does not have the track record, so our concerns become considerably more amplified.

Honestly. To hell with this stupidity... it isn't even worth trying to explain it to you people...

This stuff frustrates me as well. As for not being engaged with political action so TPTB won't care, it seems a long shot no matter what method we are to take at this point. Just because one doesn't play by their rules does not mean one has withdrawn from the playing field. Seems that can only be done through death and even then the state will have the last say on the matter.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Soooo...has there been any comment from Ron?

Possibly about the message not sent by him and he disagrees with it?

Or has the original message been deleted?

Or are we all in agreement that he made the comment and stands by it?

I haven't been following this all day...

Nothing definitive that I've seen, AF. No comment from Ron, and it hadn't been deleted as of a couple of hours ago. I don't think we're in agreement about much (LOL)...I'm still working it out in my own mind to be honest. As of now, I'm of the opinion that the whole tweet was a reference to the shooter's PTSD.

 

[jmdrake]

Your first bolded statement: If you actually believe that, well, what can I say. How often do you actually go to your local Republican get togethers, cuz you're living in an alternate reality.

Sorry junior, but I live in the reality where bloggers have been attacking Ron over the comment and saying "Thank God for Rand." You don't know what you are talking about, but that's okay.

As to the second bolded statement: I'm pretty sure you knew what I meant and that I didn't mean he was literally speaking directly to me specifically, if that's how you debate people there's really no more point in contuining this.

I know that you weren't being accurate. And you're right, there isn't any point in continuing it. You want to take offense upon yourself so you can pretend to be a victim that's on you.

 

[jmdrake]

I wrote it. I am not rethinking my priorities, but I did rethink my wording to make my stance more clear. I meant that using the words was silly, not the quote itself. Using the phrase was bombastic and careless and, intentionally or not, it implied that Kyle deserved it. That sort of looseness with language, which I have also been guilty of, leads to nothing good. Ron corrected his mistake by offering more detail in his later facebook post. Had he just used those words originally, none of this would have happened. Likewise, had I been more precise in language, I wouldn't have been quoted on LRC.

*sight* I stand by this. While I can see the "this is bad timing" argument, there's definitely nothing "dumb" or "stupid" or "delusional" about "Live by the sword, die by the sword" itself.

Would I have used those words at that time? No. But the words are not "dumb" or "stupid" or "delusional", and for you to use this time as an excuse to blindly attack "people around here" is inexcusable. I'm glad you are at least willing to re-think that.

And the LRC author did suggest that I'm less liberty-oriented, or less anti-war, than he is. That is the silly and petulant finger-wagging typical of people at LRC.

So "silly and petulant finger waving" is "typical" when it's not you doing it? Really, you attack Ron and a whole group of his supporters, then you rethink your words, but in your apology you attack someone else? Okay. If that makes you feel better, okay.

 

[KingNothing]

*sight* I stand by this. While I can see the "this is bad timing" argument, there's definitely nothing "dumb" or "stupid" or "delusional" about "Live by the sword, die by the sword" itself.

Would I have used those words at that time? No. But the words are not "dumb" or "stupid" or "delusional", and for you to use this time as an excuse to blindly attack "people around here" is inexcusable. I'm glad you are at least willing to re-think that.



So "silly and petulant finger waving" is "typical" when it's not you doing it? Really, you attack Ron and a whole group of his supporters, then you rethink your words, but in your apology you attack someone else? Okay. If that makes you feel better, okay.

I did not apologize. I improved my wording, as Ron did.

 

[jmdrake]

I did not apologize. I improved my wording, as Ron did.

Fine. Then in your "improved wording" you should realize you have no right to complain about someone pointing fingers at you as you pointed fingers at others.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Nothing definitive that I've seen, AF. No comment from Ron, and it hadn't been deleted as of a couple of hours ago. I don't think we're in agreement about much (LOL)...I'm still working it out in my own mind to be honest. As of now, I'm of the opinion that the whole tweet was a reference to the shooter's PTSD.

So, I guess it's safe to say that he wrote it, since if he had not, it would have been deleted, at the very least.

 

[sailingaway]

So, I guess it's safe to say that he wrote it, since if he had not, it would have been deleted, at the very least.

I don't know. Backing down isn't a strong suit with that man.

He may have written it. But his thoughts are better expressed in his facebook post. Next time maybe they'll just tweet a link.

 

[cajuncocoa]

So, I guess it's safe to say that he wrote it, since if he had not, it would have been deleted, at the very least.

That's my guess. I think a lot of people made a mountain out of a molehill over it. According to an article sailing recently posted in another thread, it wasn't Ron's intention to insult Kyle.

 

[LibertyEagle]

That's my guess. I think a lot of people made a mountain out of a molehill over it. According to an article sailing recently posted in another thread, it wasn't Ron's intention to insult Kyle.

Unfortunately, that doesn't really matter at this point. The damage has already been done.