Ron Paul: Our Liberties Come From Our Creator

[swatmc]

Why is it wrong to violate what someone else thinks is common or moral?

Are they treating others like they want to be treated?

If not, they are immoral.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Are they treating others like they want to be treated?

If not, they are immoral.

In the atheist universe, why is it wrong to be "immoral"?

 

[swatmc]

In the atheist universe, why is it wrong to be "immoral"?

Because you're violating the golden rule.

Morality is not complicated.

The Universe is complicated. I mean only a few hundred years ago people though that the "universe" consisted only of our own galaxy. But in reality there are hundred of millions of galaxies. Sheppards in the desert during the bronze age did NOT know this.

If there was in fact a god, my morality would not change.

If there was NOT a god, would your morality change?

 

[FrankRep]

What defines what is "moral"?

Treat others like you want to be treated.

Do we need a magical father figure, who may or may not exist, to tell us this?

Why is that moral? That's just your opinion.

 

[swatmc]

Why is that moral? That's just your opinion.

Our morality comes from god.

Is that a fact or an opinion?

 

[Sola_Fide]

In the atheist universe, why is it wrong to be "immoral"?

Swatmtc, I'll take an answer to my question anytime, thanks.

 

[swatmc]

Swatmtc, I'll take an answer to my question anytime, thanks.

And i keep telling you.

Immorality is when you violate the golden rule of "treat others like you want to be treated."

Now answer this question:

If there was in fact a god, my morality would not change.

If there was NOT a god, would your morality change?

 

[FrankRep]

What defines what is "moral"?

Treat others like you want to be treated.
Do we need a magical father figure, who may or may not exist, to tell us this?

Why is that moral? That's just your opinion.

Our morality comes from god.
Is that a fact or an opinion?

God's Law: The Gold Standard of Morality

 

[ClayTrainor]

Because you're violating the golden rule.

Morality is not complicated.

The Universe is complicated. I mean only a few hundred years ago people though that the "universe" consisted only of our own galaxy. But in reality there are hundred of millions of galaxies. Sheppards in the desert during the bronze age did NOT know this.

If there was in fact a god, my morality would not change.

Well said.

"Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." - Jesus Christ

Even if Jesus never said it, it would still be true. It is not okay to treat other peopel in ways you would not like to be treated. This, plus self-ownership, are the basic principles of morality and they can be logically established regardless of whether or not you believe in a supernatural overlord.

 

[swatmc]

God's Law: The Gold Standard of Morality

If god doesn't exist, and even the most passionate of religious folk MUST admit this is at least a possibility, does that mean there is no morality without god?

 

[Sola_Fide]

And i keep telling you.

Immorality is when you violate the golden rule of "treat others like you want to be treated."

Now answer this question:

If there was in fact a god, my morality would not change.

If there was NOT a god, would your morality change?

I keep asking you: WHY IS IT WRONG TO DO SOMETHING SOMEONE ELSE THINKS IS IMMORAL?

 

[Sola_Fide]

You keep telling me things are "immoral"? Why is it wrong to do something someone else thinks is immoral?

 

[swatmc]

I keep asking you: WHY IS IT WRONG TO DO SOMETHING SOMEONE ELSE THINKS IS IMMORAL?

Because you are violating the golden rule of "treat others like you want to be treated."

 

[FrankRep]

If god doesn't exist, and even the most passionate of religious folk MUST admit this is at least a possibility, does that mean there is no morality without god?

What is morality without God?
Some people will think murder, rape, and theft are fine according to their personal morality.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Because you are violating the golden rule of "treat others like you want to be treated."

Why is it wrong to violate the golden rule?

 

[FrankRep]

Because you are violating the golden rule of "treat others like you want to be treated."

Who created that rule? Why should I follow it?

 

[ClayTrainor]

Why is it wrong to violate the golden rule?

Because Jesus Said so? lol

It's wrong to violate the golden rule, because you wouldn't want people violating it against you.

 

[swatmc]

What is morality without God?
Some people will think murder, rape, and theft are fine according to their personal morality.

So the only thing keeping you from being immoral is punishment from the christian god?

 

[swatmc]

Who created that rule? Why should I follow it?

Again, because according to you, me, and others in a free society, it would be immoral.

Edit:

*immoral to ignore that rule.

 

[Sola_Fide]

It's wrong to violate the golden rule, because you wouldn't want people violating it against you.

Can't you see your silly circular argument? I'm asking you why violating the golden rule is wrong, and you are answering me by just asserting that golden rule is right.

Why is it wrong to have a morality that does not accept the golden rule?

Chairman Mao had a morality that did not accept the golden rule. Why was he wrong?