Ron Paul on Income Tax...

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I really think Paul should go into detail just how to get to 0% income tax, and explain how much that would help the economy. Not even some of the people on this board understand a lot of it.

To my knowledge, he wants a flat tax of 15% until we can balance the budget and phase out the IRS. Then he was to cut inflation tax and the federal income tax completely.

He really needs to stress how with this in place GM would have never been in a situation to need a bailout. Lets say we cut income tax to zero right before we bailed out GM. GM could have instantly cut 5% salary across the board, while the employees would have seen about a 15% increase in their gross income, despite having a 5% net decrease. They could have even gone further and cut 10% of the salary budget, and the employees still would have seen a 10% gross income increase. Now imagine all major businesses doing this at the same time. What we would have is about a 10%-15% salary increase across the United States, while giving businesses the ability to even hire more employees at a better overall pay rate. Now add all that extra income the population is making, and we could have actually afforded to buy cars from GM and we wouldn't have had to bail them out in the first place.

Maybe there is more to it than this. I know he wants to keep corporation taxes, but doing this gives corporations the ability to pay lower wages while still giving employees an income boost. And as one of the pictures from earlier said, the United States would become the biggest job importer in the world.

If he makes this argument, but acknowledges that it could only be done if we cut our military spending and foreign aid but NOT our National defense, Medicare, and SS. How can people not respond positively?
 
he has talked about this before.


People actually do respond well to his 0 income tax...when he mentions it in the debates, people are joyful.
 
he has talked about this before.


People actually do respond well to his 0 income tax...when he mentions it in the debates, people are joyful.

The problem is nobody believes he can do it. And he has to use his foreign policy as leverage to convince people that the payoff would be tremendous. We would quickly restore the US to its former glory, probably even more so.
 
I agree, it's TOO GENERAL to say 0% without saying exactly HOW it will be accomplished!

I don't know about 15% but I've seen him mention many a times that he asks young people whether they'd like to opt out of the whole welfare-system by paying 10% of their incomes so may be that's the plan but I agree it needs to be more specific about how it will be done Further, I don't think he'll keep corporate-taxes as high as they are, he'll definitely reduce them some as well since corporate-taxes are essentially paid by the consumers anyway
 
Well the 15% was just assuming that someone that works at GM is probably in the 20-25% tax rate. I'm not sure what their tax rate is, but it can't be higher than 25% and if it is, wow. Just wow.

Edit: nevermind. I read what you wrote wrong. You were referring to what I think Paul's plan is regarding the 15% flat tax.
 
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I've heard more people 'not take him seriously' because of this than go for him because of it. I find it better to point to his Budget Plan which does NOT do that, but keeps the Bush tax cuts, doesn't cut social security or medicare or veteran's benefits, block grants welfare programs to the states, lowers corporate tax rate (functionally a sales tax) to 15%, cuts military spending only back to 2006 levels, and STILL balances the budget in three years.

No one else has a serious budget.
 
I agree.

I think the campaign has to set the narrative back to where they're strongest: domestic issues. Ron's views are widely liked by most people, you'll always hear people say they agree with him "except on foreign policy." Quit talking about foreign policy then. When the media tries to paint you into a corner on it, just pivot and start talking about something else. The other candidates do it all the time. When they get asked a question they don't want to answer, they just simply ignore it and start talking about whatever they want.

They also need to "market test" the things he says. You can say the same thing two different ways and get vastly different reactions. There aren't going to be 10 people in the audience who understand how the gold standard works or how competing currencies work, but they will understand the real effects of inflation in their lives (talk about food prices, fuel prices, etc). They don't know or care how to get us to sound money, but they'll trust Ron does and trust him to get it done.
 
Yeah. Basically he needs to try and slide the foreign policy to the background by giving explaining how big if a positive it is. I think part of his problem is that he is negative constantly unless it'd talking about the future of the campaign. To the random voter he may come off as if he doesn't care about America. So if he goes in to explain how we would become the greatest country in the world, and nobody could compete with us (hyperboles are key). We would dominate the world market by having the most insourcing of jobs our country has ever seen. Then at the end he just throws in a... "and... wouldn't you like to see an extra 15% in your paycheck every week?" Then of course he has to rally people (assuming this was said at the debate) and say, "we can rise up America, we can rise up and become not only the greatest country on Earth, but the most prosperous as well!"
 
In Paul's budget plan, the budget doesn't even balance out for 2-3 years - still much better than any candidate. It's a feasible plan that recognizes major changes will take a few years to make. There are no tax increases, andbut there are decreases in areas like capital gains, and corporate taxes. Any chance of a flat tax in the next 4 years is slim to none.

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/ron-paul-plan-to-restore-america/
 
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