Ron Paul on Immigration. Do you agree or disagree with Ron Paul?

[axiomata]

About a third, I suspect.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=197986

That assumes all for a liberal immigration policy are anarchists.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I have a question. How many of you in this thread who are for open borders, would like to see the Constitution and the U.S., for that matter, dissolved?

Just curious.

I don't know what all the upset is over, they've, for all intents and purposes, gotten their wish.

The Constitution is pretty much dead and the borders are a joke, widely disregarded.

Just like "free trade", the consquences are becoming obvious, and the US will soon be a failed state, rife with corruption and heavy handed authoritarianism.

This is not going to be pretty.

 

[ClayTrainor]

the analogy is illogical; drug addiction requires medical intervention to effectively treat--there is no such 'addiction' involved for standard employers.

It's completely logical, and you ignored the actual point. I'm not talking about drug addiction, I'm talking about the using violence to enforce your opinion on how the market should work. Just because you stick guns in peoples faces telling them not to deal drugs, doesn't mean they're going to stop, it just means the violence and prices are going to escalate.

Just because you stick guns in peoples faces telling them not to hire immigrants, doesn't mean they will stop, it just means the prices and violence are going to escalate.

Prohibition doesn't work!

-hopefully not; hopefully employers will learn real fast that if they want to hire, they must hire citizens legally here.

About as fast as Drug dealers learn that they shouldn't sell drugs.

true-- but the 'poor' people will now be able to afford things because they are now making a living wage since they no longer have to compete with illegal immigrants.

Wages and prices both go up. You've solved nothing.

Also, You put a gun to the employers head an forced him into a cage. Who's going to run the business?

 

[low preference guy]

About a third, I suspect.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=197986

Nice piece of information.

 

[Kludge]

That assumes all for a liberal immigration policy are anarchists.

How liberal? I´d like to see a functioning nation with open borders (as LE specifically mentioned).

At the very least, a reasonable nation would probably check its potential immigrants for communicable diseases, check their sanity, and see if they´ve been convicted of anything substantial abroad.

 

[ClayTrainor]

Are you implying that Ron Paul is anti-free market?

No, I'm implying that many of the posts in this thread are anti-free market. Something tells me that you're looking for a fight, and won't be happy with this response. :o

 

[LibertyEagle]

I don't know what all the upset is over, they've, for all intents and purposes, gotten their wish.

The Constitution is pretty much dead and the borders are a joke, widely disregarded.

Just like "free trade", the consquences are becoming obvious, and the US will soon be a failed state, rife with corruption and heavy handed authoritarianism.

This is not going to be pretty.

Yeah, I know, AF. It's just rather frustrating to see some of our supposed own cheering it on.

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

Are you implying that Ron Paul is anti-free market?

Of course he is anti-free market. We need national sovereignty which includes policing national borders. That is protectionism which has nothing to do with the free market. The free market is about open trade, open borders, and the free flow of goods and people. Who in there right mind would claim protectionism = free market. Just ignore these non Ron Paul supporters Liberty Eagle. They don't know what they are talking about.

Remember this?

That sucker says SECURE THE BORDERS IMMEDIATELY Constitution be damned. This is an emergency and like any other good emergency we don't give a crap what the Constitution says because the Constitution wasn't written for emergencies! I know national borders aren't written down or documented anywhere but don't worry we will know where to send the troops when they secure the borders.

 

[ClayTrainor]

I have a question. How many of you in this thread who are for open borders, would like to see the Constitution and the U.S., for that matter, dissolved?

Just curious.

The constitution has been irrelevant and dissolved for longer than I've been alive.

 

[Deborah K]

I'm not the one who thinks every single illegal immigrant is a violent criminal. You do. You honestly think your position is reasonable? Besides, aren't you a social conservative? You would love the Mexicans! Mexicans are extremely socially conservative and were a large voting bloc along with blacks to shoot down Prop 9. Aren't you happy?

By all means produce the posts where I declare that all illegal immigrants are violent criminals. Honestly, can you open border types at least TRY to have an honest debate about this?

Don't presume to tell me that I would love Mexicans. I've lived in the southwest my whole life. I speak spanish, I've been immersed in the culture my whole life. I have Mexican friends and relatives. You need to stop with the stereotyping.

 

[Deborah K]

The constitution has been irrelevant and dissolved for longer than I've been alive.

But that wasn't her question. She asked if they would like to see the Constitution et.al. dissolved.

 

[LibertyEagle]

No, I'm implying that many of the posts in this thread are anti-free market. Something tells me that you're looking for a fight, and won't be happy with this response. :o

Do you consider national sovereignty to be "anti free market"?

Do you consider states defending their borders to stop ILLEGAL aliens from entering, if they so choose, to be "anti free market"?

Do you consider following the Rule of Law to be "anti free market"?

Do you consider the U.S. Constitution to be "anti free market"?

Do you consider having a country at all, to be "anti free market"?

 

[FrankRep]

Of course he [Ron Paul] is anti-free market.

Live_Free_Or_Die, Why are you on Ron Paul Forums if you don't support Ron Paul?

 

[ClayTrainor]

I don't know what all the upset is over, they've, for all intents and purposes, gotten their wish.

Right right, the state is definitely following anarcho-capitalist principles...

The Constitution is pretty much dead and the borders are a joke, widely disregarded.

The borders are a mess because of welfare and the war on drugs, to blame it on anything else completely ignores the source of the problem.

Just like "free trade", the consquences are becoming obvious, and the US will soon be a failed state, rife with corruption and heavy handed authoritarianism.

You can't oppose free trade without opposing free markets.

This is not going to be pretty.

No it's not, especially when so many people here think the government is actually a rational solution to these problems.

 

[ClayTrainor]

But that wasn't her question. She asked if they would like to see the Constitution et.al. dissolved.

irrelevant... it already is.

 

[Deborah K]

The borders are a mess because of welfare and the war on drugs, to blame it on anything else completely ignores the source of the problem.

If this were true, then Canadians would be crossing by the hoards as well.

 

[low preference guy]

Yay for waste of time!

 

[Deborah K]

irrelevant... it already is.

I would agree that it's hanging by a string, but I don't agree that it's already dissolved.

 

[LibertyEagle]

irrelevant... it already is.

Answer the question, Clay. It's not hard.

 

[low preference guy]

I would agree that it's hanging by a string, but I don't agree that it's already dissolved.

Only gold and silver can be legal tender.

Not dissolved? Hmmm....

What would it mean to be dissolved?