Ron Paul on Ed & Elaine Brown -- reported in Concord Monitor (NH paper)

[Original_Intent]

Nice blinders.

Ok...first of all, number 1 already failed..it's all over the place.
2...ain't gonna happen...they'll use it to paint him as a fruitloop. Maybe they'll get him to say Waco wasn't Koresh's fault too (which he has said...)
3 - Where can they go? Um...Let me give you 1 solid example.

1 guys reply to this information on another board I visit.

"Yeah...it seems that every time Paul begins to attract my attention w/all the stuff that I agree w/him on, he says something really stoopid, like this.

IMO he has been officially relegated to Ross Perot status...stir the pot and put the people who I might actually vote for on the spot."

And that guy needs to be replied to as follows:

The Browns asked to be shown the law requiring them to pay income tax, and refused to pay until they were shown the law.

The IRS has been asked this many times, including by former IRS employees and they NEVER respond.

Is someone obligated to obey a law that the enforcement agency refused to show them the law?

If such a challenge was raised in any other legal case, be it for speeding, robbing a bank, or killing someone, the prosecutor would immediately produce the law and that would be the end of it.

We must keep this argument simple: Is it wrong to want to be shown where in the law you are required to do something before you do it? And why, after numerous challenges to show the law has the IRS declined to do so?

 

[PatriotOne]

I respectfully disagree that Ron Paul should tip-toe around the issues that he stands for. It's those very issues that are connecting with so many people and make them passionate about him and willing to go to the mat for him. It's the reason so many people are motivated to promote him and help make others understand what he is talking about. That's when the lightbulb goes on for so many others.

It is what is making him unique. People are tired of being lied to. They are ready for someone to tackle these issues. If people aren't aware of some of these issues, then more than likely they are unmotivated to even go vote.

Take the North American Union issue. Half those politicians aren't even aware that it is going on, the other half of those politician's purposely don't mention it. Yet it is absolutely verifiable that this is taking place out of the public's eye and you can bet Texas knows about it because there is a big ass freeway being laid down to prove it. Those people are upset and if they hear Ron Paul talk about what other's are calling a conspiracy theory, they connect with him strongly because they KNOW this is happening.

Same thing with the NWO...though he might be better to refer to it as "Globalization".

Etc., etc., etc.

IMO...if Ron Paul is gagged from the "hot issues", then he would just fade into the woodwork.

I am all over the internet on many of these so-called conspiracy theories because I have researched most of them. A very large portion of Ron Paul's support is because of his willingness to talk about this stuff to a certain degree and he does it well without coming off sounding like a nut.

Embrace it...don't try to gag it. It is why he has gone viral!

 

[BLS]

And that guy needs to be replied to as follows:

The Browns asked to be shown the law requiring them to pay income tax, and refused to pay until they were shown the law.

The IRS has been asked this many times, including by former IRS employees and they NEVER respond.

Is someone obligated to obey a law that the enforcement agency refused to show them the law?

If such a challenge was raised in any other legal case, be it for speeding, robbing a bank, or killing someone, the prosecutor would immediately produce the law and that would be the end of it.

We must keep this argument simple: Is it wrong to want to be shown where in the law you are required to do something before you do it? And why, after numerous challenges to show the law has the IRS declined to do so?

NONE OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE POINT...........
I agree with you.....geez people.

let me say that again.

I AGREE WITH YOU ALL THAT INCOME TAXES ARE ILLEGAL!!!!!!

What I'm saying is it was probably NOT a smart move to support these folks publicly. ONCE RON GETS ELECTED...he'll have all the time in the world to educate those who are blind to the real laws of the Constitution...but it's not smart to say this during a campaign. It's just not (I could be wrong...that's my opinion)


Sorry for venting...but this is getting repetative.

 

[Original_Intent]

It's out of our hands anyway, all we can do is sit back and watch it play out.

I was just trying to calm peoples concerns.

I do think you are missing the point - my point is NOT that taxes are illegal, my point is they just ASKED to be shown the law. And that is the point I think we should be responding to people with.

We need to get a few people doing their own investigation (and I am not talking about watching Freedom to Fascism). Let people follow their own path. Even if it is just "Fine I will find the law to shut these people up" - which leads to "WTF there is no law!"

 

[Bradley in DC]

I respectfully disagree that Ron Paul should tip-toe around the issues that he stands for.

No one is urging Dr. Paul to tip-toe around any issues. The point you infer is right--this campaign is about issues and ideas, not one couples' greivance. They do not speak for all of us, not even on this one issue.

Ron Paul's campaign is bigger than they are, bigger than just their one issue. His time and exposure are far better served on his issues. My complaints here are similiar to my criticizms of the truthers who want to attach his star to theirs. He is bigger than that too. He would not be well served running around pandering to every schmuck who has a complain against the government.

 

[BLS]

It's out of our hands anyway, all we can do is sit back and watch it play out.

I was just trying to calm peoples concerns.

Sorry man. Kumbaya, my friend. Kumbaya.
I'm a bit stubborn. :o

 

[dspectre]

NONE OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE POINT...........
I agree with you.....geez people.

let me say that again.

I AGREE WITH YOU ALL THAT INCOME TAXES ARE ILLEGAL!!!!!!

What I'm saying is it was probably NOT a smart move to support these folks publicly. ONCE RON GETS ELECTED...he'll have all the time in the world to educate those who are blind to the real laws of the Constitution...but it's not smart to say this during a campaign. It's just not (I could be wrong...that's my opinion)


Sorry for venting...but this is getting repetative.

I get your point, you are afraid it is a bad strategic move.

Yeah it is a definite risk, and it could backfire. However, I think we maybe coming to a point in our culture where smearing him may not work.

The fact that the MSM hasn't put out numerous headlines saying "Presidential Candidate Supports Tax Evasion" should mean something.

 

[Original_Intent]

I get your point, you are afraid it is a bad strategic move.

Yeah it is a definite risk, and it could backfire. However, I think we maybe coming to a point in our culture where smearing him may not work.

The fact that the MSM hasn't put out numerous headlines saying "Presidential Candidate Supports Tax Evasion" should mean something.

Once bitten, twice shy?

 

[BLS]

I get your point, you are afraid it is a bad strategic move.

Yeah it is a definite risk, and it could backfire. However, I think we maybe coming to a point in our culture where smearing him may not work.

The fact that the MSM hasn't put out numerous headlines saying "Presidential Candidate Supports Tax Evasion" should mean something.

Actually, I did think about this for a while today. It makes you wonder why they won't just BLAST him on every single major site/station.

My initial thought was it's no big deal, so it get's little coverage.

But then I started to think, maybe they are 'learning' that what 'they' perceive to be 'bad news' towards RP actually just fuels his interest, so they are trying to just keep it all low key.

But then I thought...maybe they are waiting until this whole situation in NH blows up...because you and I know it'll end in gunfire. The Feds will step up the pressure, the MSM will be ALL OVER IT...for days/weeks/months...how ever long it takes. They'll twist it into the Browns are complete nutjobs.

Meanwhile RP gets a huge turnout in Iowa, gains more and more popularity on the internet each day, and he becomes more and more of a threat to win the GOP Nomination.

Then BAM the MSM comes out and says.....RP supported these wackjobs.
Instant loss of credibility with ALOT of people who are on the 'fringe' of voting RP or Thompson or even one of the other boneheads. It might be enough to push alot of voters away. it just scares me, and it's UNNECESSARY for him to get involved. And even if it does pan out to be a HUGE success, it's A TON OF RISK.

 

[dspectre]

Actually, I did think about this for a while today. It makes you wonder why they won't just BLAST him on every single major site/station.

My initial thought was it's no big deal, so it get's little coverage.

But then I started to think, maybe they are 'learning' that what 'they' perceive to be 'bad news' towards RP actually just fuels his interest, so they are trying to just keep it all low key.

But then I thought...maybe they are waiting until this whole situation in NH blows up...because you and I know it'll end in gunfire. The Feds will step up the pressure, the MSM will be ALL OVER IT...for days/weeks/months...how ever long it takes. They'll twist it into the Browns are complete nutjobs.

Meanwhile RP gets a huge turnout in Iowa, gains more and more popularity on the internet each day, and he becomes more and more of a threat to win the GOP Nomination.

Then BAM the MSM comes out and says.....RP supported these wackjobs.
Instant loss of credibility with ALOT of people who are on the 'fringe' of voting RP or Thompson or even one of the other boneheads. It might be enough to push alot of voters away. it just scares me, and it's UNNECESSARY for him to get involved. And even if it does pan out to be a HUGE success, it's A TON OF RISK.

I totally understand, and I didn't mean to bash you.

I can understand feeling uneasy, it would be pretty bad if his campaign just ended on something absurd as this.


I don't know if this is the point though, where he has to take risks, but being the small guy he does have to take some serious risks at some point....

 

[Bradley in DC]

Of course, the Paul Administration would do away with the cause of the problem. Always the best solution.

 

[MsDoodahs]

OK Genius

Hey - that was out of line, BLS.

 

[MsDoodahs]

Would you REALLY like for me to...degrade you some more?"

You need an attitude adjustment.

 

[BLS]

Hey - that was out of line, BLS.

You're right. I apologize. Sorry.

 

[BLS]

You need an attitude adjustment.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=38424&postcount=109

 

[MsDoodahs]

Flowers...for ME? :o

Thank you, BLS.

 

[BLS]

Flowers...for ME? :o

Thank you, BLS.

No problem. I just get a little heated because although all of us here are on the same page, my other forum I'm pretty much alone...and I'm working diligently to convert everyone...and when I'm close to getting a new supporter, something like this comes out and they turn away.

I hope you enjoy them!!

 

[Ronstock '08]

Just went to abc news.com (at 2:20 pm EDT)

The top story is Senator Lugar's change of heart on the Iraq War The other big story is Paris Hilton. There's another "big" story about Personal Trainers for 6 year olds. Not a word about RP supporting a "tax evader". The story disappeared from The Drudge Report after being posted a very short time.

 

[Ronstock '08]

2:30 PM Fox News Top Stories under "Politics"

* Senate Votes to Continue Work on Immigration Bill
* Scrushy, Siegelman Head to Sentencing
* CIA Releases Hundreds of Pages of Internal Reports
* Lawmakers to Question SEC Members About Recent Moves
* Edwards Hopes TV Ad Reaches New Hampshire Voters
* Former Va. Candidate Indicted for False Finance...
* Trooper Behind Wheel During Crash Still Driving...

Not a word about RP and the "tax protestors". Don't you think if ANYONE would be anxious to smear Dr. Paul it would be Fox News?

I'm starting to believe they will not challenge Ron on this because they DO NOT want attention drawn to Ed and Elaine Brown.

 

[Birdlady]

I commend Ron Paul for talking about Ed and Elaine Brown. I think he also did this to keep them safe. If a Presidential candidate is talking about them today and in 2 weeks the FBI guns them down, that will be huge news. Also there may even be some RP supporters who weren't aware of this situation and now all those people who saw that interview are googling them. It puts a spotlight on Ed and Elaine, which is good.

Let's not be too selfish here with people saying this will ruin RP. These people's lives are on the line. What Ed and Elaine Brown are doing is no different than a African American refusing to sit in the back of the bus or me refusing to allow cops to search my car at a safety checkpoint. Now everyone has to pick their own battles. I personally wish to fight the NWO in another way, but we need people battling them on all fronts.

Ron Paul knows exactly what he is doing. He can't help them directly, but he is doing so indirectly.