Ron Paul: It was almost like a tie

[jcannon98188]

I didn't know they wouldn't win Maine. Seems like others don't expect much from them though. THAT's the part I don't get.
Straw man. It isn't about me. It's about the fact that Ron Paul's campaign staff can't campaign effectively enough to actually win elections, which is what the donors believe they're being paid to do. You can apparently keep spinning and whining "it's not our fault!" all day long, but the horrible truth is that Ron Paul has once again hired a staff that can't bring home a single win. Yes, they're far, far ahead of where they were last time. But that's not good enough.

Look, I know you have been here since 2007. But SHUT UP! You honestly think firing Ron Paul's staff would make him win more? It is because of LAZY PEOPLE that DIDN'T VOTE than Ron Paul lost. These people would not of voted even if Ron Paul himself knocked on their door and offered to drive them. You say he should not take this laying down. HE ISN'T LYING DOWN! The Campaign knows that all they need to do is let the grassroots take this on. If they start shouting about this and making it the point of their campaign, they will be wasting money, time, and possible losing voters. No one wants a cry baby in office. He is continuing to campaign like he should. It is our job as the grassroots movement to be the ones shouting about this and raising the alarms. Yes the Ron Paul campaign team isn't the greatest. But do you not realize what he has done? If Ron Paul doesn't win in 2012 it doesn't matter. He has successfully started a massive movement that will not die off. The ideals of liberty and freedom are finally becoming mainstream! If he doesn't win in 2012, Ron Paul 2.0 will win in 2016.

 

[bluesc]

Now you're just being silly, not to mention putting words in my mouth.

You're being silly if you don't consider it. There is clear evidence. The campaign is making noises which they have never done before. No one is saying vote fraud (which is taboo around here), but there were shenanigans that were unavoidable.

 

[angelatc]

So.. We find even better professionals and suddenly the media and GOP becomes friendly? My god, you absolutely refuse to entertain the thought that maybe, just maybe there are powers working against us.

Maybe the campaign manager is doing well and doesn't need replacing.

Winning the majority of delegates is winning. There is no changing that.

Grow up already. Nobody is your friend in politics. There's not a candidate on the stage that doesn't have millions of people that literally and passionately hate him.

You're just being silly, hanging on to the "but we're winning delagates!" strategy. We can't win an election, we don't have any friends in the GOP, and we don't have anything close to a majority of the delegates that have been awarded so far, but we're somehow going to waltz into the GOP convention, and rule the world.

Yeah, I'm the one who hasn't been around long enough. *snort*

 

[bluesc]

I don't believe that, but if the campaign believes that, then they definitely should be fired.

Also, what makes you think the best in the business would even join Ron's campaign? We were incredibly lucky to pick up the guy from the top GOP staff only because he developed a friendship with Rand has a future with Rand's campaigns and friends.

They would never have won Florida no matter what staff they had. Nor SC. Nor NH. So no, they wouldn't be winning.

 

[angelatc]

You're being silly if you don't consider it. There is clear evidence. The campaign is making noises which they have never done before. No one is saying vote fraud (which is taboo around here), but there were shenanigans that were unavoidable.

Mitt seemed to avoid them, now didn't he? Gee, maybe that means he's got a stronger campaign than we do.

 

[angelatc]

Also, what makes you think the best in the business would even join Ron's campaign? We were incredibly lucky to pick up the guy from the top GOP staff only because he developed a friendship with Rand has a future with Rand's campaigns and friends.

They would never have won Florida no matter what staff they had. Nor SC. Nor NH. So no, they wouldn't be winning.

Yeah, right. No self-respecting hired gun campaign manager would ever want to be associated with a candidate that pulls in millions of dollars at the drop of a hat, and was polling first in and second in certain important places. *snort*

Excuses, excuses. What you keep saying, over and over, is that Paul can't win. I say bullshit.

 

[bluesc]

Grow up already. Nobody is your friend in politics. There's not a candidate on the stage that doesn't have millions of people that literally and passionately hate him.

You're just being silly, hanging on to the "but we're winning delagates!" strategy. We can't win an election, we don't have any friends in the GOP, and we don't have anything close to a majority of the delegates that have been awarded so far, but we're somehow going to waltz into the GOP convention, and rule the world.

Yeah, I'm the one who hasn't been around long enough. *snort*

Wow, you completely distorted my argument there.

No other candidate has almost everyone in the media working against him. No other candidate is hated by the entire establishment and therefore the local GOP leadership in most states.

You have given up, so piss off. There are people that don't give up when facing difficulty. I feel bad for you.

We have a majority of delegates awarded to state/county conventions, and they will award delegates to the national convention. Of course, that isn't being a "realist".

You really turn into a bitch during election season, huh?

 

[bluesc]

Yeah, right. No self-respecting hired gun campaign manager would ever want to be associated with a candidate that pulls in millions of dollars at the drop of a hat, and was polling first in and second in certain important places. *snort*

Again you assume people aren't working against Paul. If there is someone extremely talented, you can be sure as shit there will be threats that their career will end if they help him, just like elected officials get the same threats.

 

[angelatc]

Look, I know you have been here since 2007. But SHUT UP! You honestly think firing Ron Paul's staff would make him win more?

Uhm, yes.

 

[angelatc]

Again you assume people aren't working against Paul. .

I never said there weren't people working against Paul. I said he needs somebody who will actually man up and fight back.

 

[angelatc]

You have given up, so piss off.

You're the one that seems resigned to losing, not me.

 

[bluesc]

I never said there weren't people working against Paul. I said he needs somebody who will actually man up and fight back.

Attack the media and bitch about the GOP after every loss. Gotcha.

 

[angelatc]

You really turn into a bitch during election season, huh?

Yeah, because only a bitch would complain about a staff that can't win elections.

 

[bluesc]

You're the one that seems resigned to losing, not me.

You have accepted defeat unless the campaign fires Jesse Benton, which, let's face it, isn't going to happen.

Not that it would achieve much other than giving you temporary relief though.

 

[angelatc]

Attack the media and bitch about the GOP after every loss. Gotcha.

That's about all you're doing.

 

[bluesc]

Yeah, because only a bitch would complain about a staff that can't win elections.

It's more to do with the way you talk to people.

 

[angelatc]

You have accepted defeat unless the campaign fires Jesse Benton, which, let's face it, isn't going to happen.

Not that it would achieve much other than giving you temporary relief though.

See? I think we can win. You don't, so you don't see losing as losing. What a shame the campaign thinks like you do.

 

[bluesc]

That's about all you're doing.

I'm not being paid to do it. I don't do it unless someone, for some reason, blames everything on the campaign.

There's a big difference between someone on the internet and someone who, at any time, can be quoted by the national media. Of course, they wouldn't do that though, because they are fair

 

[bluesc]

See? I think we can win. You don't, so you don't see losing as losing. What a shame the campaign thinks like you do.

Where did I state that we can't win? I said we're not WINNING, which is clearly true if you don't count unallocated delegates.

 

[angelatc]

It's more to do with the way you talk to people.

I'm not running for office.