Ron Paul: It was almost like a tie

[angelatc]

#1 I wasn't told by Collins
#2 I agree the idea that he can win the nomination without winning a state is unrealistic
#3 I agree that he isn't coming across as someone who wants to win

I would have liked to have won, but the results are acceptable. We still get the majority of the delegates in this case. He probably won, but the GOP cancelled the caucus where Paul was strong and created new caucuses that were strong for Romney the night before the results were announced. That isn't tin foil hat stuff, and it isn't delusional. It happened.

An acceptable loss? That's just wrong on so many levels I can't even begin to address it.

It happened because the campaign rolls over and allows it to happen. But it's never their fault when we lose......

 

[Bosco Warden]

It isn't about me. It's about this notion that the campaign can do no wrong.

Been here, done that before. Paul won't fire the people who can't get him across the finish line. This isn't a 5th grade soccer game where everybody gets a prize to make everybody feel good. (Although even at that age, the kids all know who won even if the grown ups pretend that the score doesn't matter.)

The voters know what a winner looks like, and Paul isn't looking like a winner.

The fact that there are people here thinking these results are acceptable is ridiculous, and the concept that we can win the Presidency without winning a single primary or caucus is beyond preposterous.

He screwed up by not going to Maine, and if Collins is telling you he really was in Maine, only not actually campaigning, that's just a lie.

Tell everyone what should be done, lets hear a plan that you think would be the WINNING plan?

I was here in 08 also, and it seems more disorganized then in 08 but its doing better overall. I have to have faith that there is alot going on behind the scenes then I am privy to.

Dr. Paul knows what he is doing, I trust his judgement. He has 30 years of being on the right side, I am sure this is no exception.

The GOP is cheating, but either way he will be on the ballot and we can vote for him. The other candidates will not have the needed delegates to to get the GOP nod, so its going to be someone else, and Dr. Paul.

 

[angelatc]

Tell everyone what should be done, lets hear a plan that you think would be the WINNING plan?

Firing Benton/Tate and getting somebody in there that actually knows how to win, and maybe doesn't embarrass us by putting out press releases saying that we had a victory in Maine.

 

[bluesc]

An acceptable loss? That's just wrong on so many levels I can't even begin to address it.

It happened because the campaign rolls over and allows it to happen. It's never their fault that we lose.

We won the delegates.

Yes, it's easy to blame them when you're constantly pissed at them. When you consider the cancelled caucus that was a Paul "stronghold", and the three added caucuses that were in Romney "strongholds", it's not difficult to imagine that the very small margin of defeat was caused by the Maine GOP. The campaign has NEVER made any noise about fraud or shenanigans before despite losses. They accepted it and moved on. They are pissed about this one, and have every right to be.

Of course, it's easy to be a critic from your armchair.

I didn't say it's never their fault. It certainly was in Nevada. They screwed up there and they know it.

 

[mport1]

It was almost a win if he had spent the week campaigning.

This. Unfortunately. Apparently a little more time there would have pushed him over the edge.

 

[angelatc]

We won the delegates.

See my soccer analogy. I don't care that everybody got a token to take home.

Yes, it's easy to blame them when you're constantly pissed at them.

Because it's entirely unrealistic to expect them to actually win? Sounds like your bar is set a lot lower than mine.

When you consider the cancelled caucus that was a Paul "stronghold", and the three added caucuses that were in Romney "strongholds", it's not difficult to imagine that the very small margin of defeat was caused by the Maine GOP. The campaign has NEVER made any noise about fraud or shenanigans before despite loses. They accepted it and moved on.

Which is absolutely pathetic. What you just said is that Romney's campaign is virile and strong enough to be able to strong arm a win simply by getting our caucuses thrown out, and Paul's campaign plan to counter it? Lay down and take it like a good girl. Again.

 

[ConCap]

It’s the fault of the individual that was for Paul and did not go vote.

I have been looking for a job for the last 3yrs. Do you know how many times I saw the phrase:
MUST BE ABLE TO WORK WITH MINIMAL OR NO SUPERVISION.

If you are for Ron Paul, go vote for him. Why do you need a political party, movement leader or campain manager to tell you what to do?

Untill the day comes, when we all rase our kids to be RESPONSIBLE INDIVIDUALS thinking for themselves and not relying on political parties, it will never change.

 

[Bosco Warden]

Firing Benton/Tate and getting somebody in there that actually knows how to win, and maybe doesn't embarrass us by putting out press releases saying that we had a victory in Maine.

Replace them with who?

I am also frustrated with some of the things done, but we are getting the delegates. This is a HUGE undertaking Dr. Paul is doing right here. The Establishment is well entrenched and has everything going to for them. The media, both print and video.

I dont see how changing Benton/Tate would have helped in Maine for example if the GOP cheats at the polls.

This maybe the only way to get the National. As I said he will be on the ballot.

 

[WilliamC]

I think that Ron Paul could flat out win and still the media would report he lost.

If anyone thinks changing the campaign is going to change Ron Paul and how he campaigns at this late date I must respectfully disagree.

What we see is what we get, and Ron Paul isn't the perfect candidate as he has said himself.

 

[bluesc]

See my soccer analogy. I don't care that everybody got a token to take home.

Paul got the majority of the delegates.

Because it's entirely unrealistic to expect them to actually win? Sounds like your bar is set a lot lower than mine.

Then why do you continue to come here and whine that they didn't win when you already knew they wouldn't?

Which is absolutely pathetic. What you just said is that Romney's campaign is virile and strong enough to be able to strong arm a win simply by getting our caucuses thrown out, and Paul's campaign plan to counter it? Lay down and take it like a good girl. Again.

Well Romney has the establishment on his side, and the establishment has people in key positions in most states. The decision was made to add caucuses the night before they were held and the decision was made to cancel the caucus in Ron's stronghold mere hours before the vote was held. What exactly would you have done in their position?

What I said is before(in previous states), they accepted losses and moved on because they didn't suspect shenanigans. Now they are making noises. They aren't just laying down and taking it. There isn't much they can do though, since the Maine GOP didn't break any of their own rules. They make them so that they can break them.

You hold way too much anger towards the campaign because they aren't giving you liberty when you want it. Maybe you should run for office and hire the crack team of professionals that you have in mind.

 

[bluesc]

Replace them with who?

I am also frustrated with some of the things done, but we are getting the delegates. This is a HUGE undertaking Dr. Paul is doing right here. The Establishment is well entrenched and has everything going to for them. The media, both print and video.

I dont see how changing Benton/Tate would have helped in Maine for example if the GOP cheats at the polls.

This maybe the only way to get the National. As I said he will be on the ballot.

Firing Benton and/or Tate would do nothing to help. People just desperately want to direct their anger and frustration at someone.

Armchair strategists always have someone to blame and something to criticize.

They never mention that we have Doug Wead and someone who has run many successful Senate campaigns. A true professional who was sent by the Senate minority leader to help Rand in his race. No one ever mentions that the campaign hired him. No, we have no professionals.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Only 5524 votes were cast in the whole state! What percentage of the population is that? And what percentage of the registered voters is that?

Ron Paul got 0.2% of the vote in Maine, actually, it was more like 0.154%. It was the lowest percentage of the vote that Ron Paul has received in any state. Yes, even lower than CO. Even though the Maine Caucus system is more open to non-Republicans than most of the other caucuses, so far. Compare that the New Hampshire with 4.5% of the population, far more than every other state.

People just don't like to vote in the Maine caucuses, for Ron Paul or otherwise. However, people especially don't like to be delegates to the county conventions in Maine, which is great for Ron Paul. He couldn't find 2000 people in the whole state to vote for him, but his campaign and the grassroots did find enough people to be delegates to the county conventions that Ron Paul will have the majority of them.

 

[angelatc]

Then why do you continue to come here and whine that they didn't win when you already knew they wouldn't?

I didn't know they wouldn't win Maine. Seems like others don't expect much from them though. THAT's the part I don't get.

Well Romney has the establishment on his side, and the establishment has people in key positions in most states. The decision was made to add caucuses the night before they were held and the decision was made to cancel the caucus in Ron's stronghold mere hours before the vote was held. What exactly would you have done in their position?

What I said is before(in previous states), they accepted losses and moved on because they didn't suspect shenanigans. Now they are making noises. They aren't just laying down and taking it. There isn't much they can do though, since the Maine GOP didn't break any of their own rules. They make them so that they can break them.

You hold way too much anger towards the campaign because they aren't giving you liberty when you want it. Maybe you should run for office and hire the crack team of professionals that you have in mind.

Straw man. It isn't about me. It's about the fact that Ron Paul's campaign staff can't campaign effectively enough to actually win elections, which is what the donors believe they're being paid to do.

You can apparently keep spinning and whining "it's not our fault!" all day long, but the horrible truth is that Ron Paul has once again hired a staff that can't bring home a single win. Yes, they're far, far ahead of where they were last time. But that's not good enough.

 

[Bosco Warden]

Interesting and related video.

 

[bluesc]

Straw man. It isn't about me. It's about the fact that Ron Paul's campaign staff can't campaign effectively enough to actually win elections, which is what the donors believe they're being paid to do.

You can apparently keep spinning and whining "it's not our fault!" all day long, but the horrible truth is that Ron Paul has once again hired a staff that can't bring home a single win. Yes, they're far, far ahead of where they were last time. But that's not good enough.

Again you assume that if they had better staff, they would be winning. Reality is that they wouldn't. The better they do, the more the establishment will work against them. You apparently don't understand the vastness of the reach of the establishment.

It often seems like you refuse to entertain any thought of GOP corruption because that would be wandering into tin foil hat territory. Apparently you haven't been around long enough to know what lengths the GOP will go to.

 

[bluesc]

Interesting and related video.

Lol you're about to be flamed by our resident "realists".

 

[angelatc]

Firing Benton and/or Tate would do nothing to help. People just desperately want to direct their anger and frustration at someone.

Armchair strategists always have someone to blame and something to criticize.

They never mention that we have Doug Wead and someone who has run many successful Senate campaigns. A true professional who was sent by the Senate minority leader to help Rand in his race. No one ever mentions that the campaign hired him. No, we have no professionals.

That makes it even worse - you just said we have some very skilled professionals, but they are professionals who still can't win. No amount of spin changes that.

Changing campaign managers when you're losing is the winning strategy. (I seem to recall that Rand Paul changed his even when he was winning. Looking back that was amazingly prescient.)

Pretending that losing is winning is a losing strategy.

 

[angelatc]

Apparently you haven't been around long enough to know what lengths the GOP will go to.

Now you're just being silly, not to mention putting words in my mouth.

 

[bluesc]

That makes it even worse - you just said we have some very skilled professionals, but they are professionals who still can't win. No amount of spin changes that.

Changing campaign managers when you're losing is the winning strategy. (I seem to recall that Rand Paul changed his even when he was winning. Looking back that was amazingly prescient.)

Pretending that losing is winning is a losing strategy.

So.. We find even better professionals and suddenly the media and GOP becomes friendly? My god, you absolutely refuse to entertain the thought that maybe, just maybe there are powers working against us.

Maybe the campaign manager is doing well and doesn't need replacing.

Winning the majority of delegates is winning. There is no changing that.

 

[angelatc]

Again you assume that if they had better staff, they would be winning. Reality is that they wouldn't.

I don't believe that, but if the campaign believes that, then they definitely should be fired.