Ron Paul: It was almost like a tie

[bluesc]

Well, we already know your version of reality is pretty distorted, and you're going to see nothing but what you want to see.....go burn another one.

Dude. You think Maine awards delegates proportionately. Don't talk to me about reality.

 

[bluesc]

I am not the one being beat up. I learn from mistakes and correct them, unlike some people we are talking about. You like to stir the pot, your motives are already under question. Mine are not. You wouldn't notice a pattern if it was tattooed to your forehead.

My state isn't the only state being ignored by the campaign. Maybe you need to widen your field of vision. Maybe you just can't. For shame.

Yeah, they will ignore Ohio too.

My motives aren't under question. I've already revealed that I'm a spy for AIPAC.

 

[angelatc]

You have to appreciate the enthusiasm of the new people. You an I know that we are getting the same thing we got in 2007 from the campaign. I'd be willing to bet that the campaign suspends with money in the bank and sends that money to c4l.

I'd like to think that winning meant the message of liberty was growing more popular. I have been upset with this campaign since they came out and claimed victory in Iowa. Victory for me means the message is being accepted as being the most popular message. I don't want to hear about stealth delegates and I don't want winning to mean coming in 2nd, 3rd, or 4th place. This might have been acceptable to someone who just heard the message for the 1st time, but for those of us who have been banking on actually winning by making the message popular, the results are FAR from acceptable.

There is failure here, and it's certainly NOT with the grassroots. It is up to the campaign to convert those efforts in to votes and WINS. That isn't happening. Sadly, the strategy from 2007 is the same strategy being used today. It is not taking advantage of the gains we have made in the last 4 years. That is not only disappointing, it is unacceptable for people that have been in this since last time around.

I'll take the moral victories, but I am about sick of the campaign claiming victories in the process when that just flat isn't happening. It wasn't a tie. It was a loss.

Yep. I think a lot of us did a pretty good job at holding our tongues until now.

I'm fine with moral victories, but we deserve the truth about where we are, and the campaign doesn't seem really keen on that. THe only thing that makes sense is that it's the same scenario as 2008.

 

[NidStyles]

A pattern of losing? Yeah, we see that too.

How are they losing? He's going after delegates. Delegates are what matters. McCain was losing almost the entire time, but pulling Delegates.

 

[angelatc]

Dude. You think Maine awards delegates proportionately. Don't talk to me about reality.

ROTFL! And you think we're going to get a majority of the GOP delegates.

 

[bluesc]

And you think we're going to get a majority of the GOP delegates.

From Maine? Yes.

To the national convention? It's possible, but I'm not assuming that we will.

ROTFL!

 

[newbitech]

You don't make friends by constantly whining and discouraging people under the guise of being "realistic".

I get along with plenty of people who criticize the campaign. When it's warranted.

I am not sure what making friends has to do with anything that we are talking about. You misspoke. You completely and regularly mischaracterize and distort my positions because you are too lazy to do the research to even make an attempt to understand what I understand. You'd have no idea what being realistic was if it wasn't laid out before you. You lack critical thinking skills simply because you think that my critique of the campaign is something I made up because of how I feel.

Might I suggest you actually take a look at the reality of the delegate situation and reevaluate the campaign in light of the fact the only discernible difference between the 2008 strategy and the 2012 strategy is the effort put in by people like me and angelatc in that time span. The campaign gets NO credit for increasing the popularity of the message and NO credit for converting the superior enthusiasm in to actual votes.

 

[angelatc]

How are they losing? He's going after delegates. Delegates are what matters. McCain was losing almost the entire time, but pulling Delegates.

Bullshit. McCain won 31 states, plus DC, plus a bunch of territories too.

And this is the first time in who knows how long that the GOP hasn't used a winner-take-all strategy.

 

[angelatc]

From Maine? Yes.

To the national convention? It's possible, but I'm not assuming that we will.

ROTFL!

If gambling were not illegal, I would happily ask you to wager on that.

 

[bluesc]

I am not sure what making friends has to do with anything that we are talking about. You misspoke. You completely and regularly mischaracterize and distort my positions because you are too lazy to do the research to even make an attempt to understand what I understand. You'd have no idea what being realistic was if it wasn't laid out before you. You lack critical thinking skills simply because you think that my critique of the campaign is something I made up because of how I feel.

Might I suggest you actually take a look at the reality of the delegate situation and reevaluate the campaign in light of the fact the only discernible difference between the 2008 strategy and the 2012 strategy is the effort put in by people like me and angelatc in that time span. The campaign gets NO credit for increasing the popularity of the message and NO credit for converting the superior enthusiasm in to actual votes.

 

[newbitech]

Yeah, they will ignore Ohio too.

My motives aren't under question. I've already revealed that I'm a spy for AIPAC.

In case you haven't noticed, they will ignore pretty much any state that doesn't give them a chance to claim some obscure victory based on anything BUT the message being popular.

I really don't care who you are, but it's pretty obvious to anyone with an inkling of discernment that your motives are not forthright.

 

[bluesc]

If gambling were not illegal, I would happily ask you to wager on that.

Name a charity, I will donate $1000 to it if Paul doesn't gain the majority of delegates from Maine.

Mods or admin can release my personal information to the internet to shame me if I don't follow through.

 

[newbitech]

That really says a lot about your character. Surrender noted.

 

[angelatc]

Name a charity, I will donate $1000 to it if Paul doesn't gain the majority of delegates from Maine.

Mods or admin can release my personal information to the internet to shame me if I don't follow through.

I don't have $1000 to back up my words, so I suggest we settle for bragging rights.

 

[newbitech]

Name a charity, I will donate $1000 to it if Paul doesn't gain the majority of delegates from Maine.

Mods or admin can release my personal information to the internet to shame me if I don't follow through.

please, you'll be gone as soon as it becomes clear who wins the nomination. I'll put money on that too.

 

[angelatc]

That really says a lot about your character. Surrender noted.

Yep. That's how I saw it too. Congrats!

 

[ronpaulitician]

Eh. The 2011-2012 campaign has already far exceeded my expectations.

I was fine with the "let's get delegates" strategy when I thought it was just a longshot. Now, with Santorum winning, Gingrich still in it, that longshot is looking a lot better. A victory in Maine (read: no shenanigans) would have been nice, but I'll take the very close second. Onward.

 

[bluesc]

In case you haven't noticed, they will ignore pretty much any state that doesn't give them a chance to claim some obscure victory based on anything BUT the message being popular.

I really don't care who you are, but it's pretty obvious to anyone with an inkling of discernment that your motives are not forthright.

I'm an AIPAC spy, dude. I don't know why no one believes me.

Ron can compete in states. Just not Ohio, because Romney has already set his sights on it and has made it publicly known that he will blow a lot of his huge warchest to win it.

 

[bluesc]

I don't have $1000 to back up my words, so I suggest we settle for bragging rights.

You don't need to back up your words. If you lose, you just take the walk of shame and admit you were wrong.

 

[angelatc]

please, you'll be gone as soon as it becomes clear who wins the nomination. I'll put money on that too.

That was the part that discouraged me the most after 2008. So many people were so passionate, but when we lost - they disappeared. I thought they'd come back when we won Iowa.

And getting the people to step up and support other liberty candidates is next to impossible, too. All I can say at this juncture is thank heavens Rand Paul won, although it sucks that he'll need to give up his Senate seat to run for President in 2016.