Ron Paul is NOT coming to MI!

[Shink]

So what exactly is 'National' and why does Ron obey it? Is Kent Snyder telling Ron that visiting primary states is stupid or some bullshit?!

Bump. Seriously.

 

[JGalt]

After all the screwups in Iowa and New Hampshire from the campaign staff, my guess is that he's made the conscious decision to leave Michigan to the Grassroots. That way, no matter how we place he can just say "look, my supporters did that without my help," just like he did with the moneybombs.

 

[thisisgiparti]

My guess is he is playing whackomole, letting each of them go bankrupt and saving the powder, for what I have no clue but I'd guess as the FED stampedes inflation to protect the international banker pals and the stock market crashes with housing he will unleash whatever strategy he has, 1-9 he ends up either demanding the republican nomination and if not, educates Americans with the cash and runs thrid party.

the other campaigns are having multi-million dollar day online money bombs now, because they are perceived as winning. this is no double secret strategy but incompetence. hang in there Michigan. hopefully you can enlist the Muslim community and disgruntled Democrats - as well as the odd conservative. good luck.

 

[JS4Pat]

Paul is campaigning like he isn't going to get anymore money -- but it is a SELF-FULFILLING PROPHECY. No results = No money.


Because, the REAL problem is as follows:

1) The grassroots were (apparently falsely) led to believe that the strategy was to WIN in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina.

2) The grassroots was told that $12 Million was needed by Dec 31 to accomplish #1.

3) The grassroots provided the $12 Million essentially a month early, as this total was (for all intents and purposed) reached by the beginning of December.

4) The grassroots EXCEEDED the $12 Million dollars by donating an additional $8 Million -- for a total of $20 Million by the end of the 4th Quarter.

5) Many of those who donated (often earning less than $30K per YEAR) either skimped on Christmas presents for their families (!) delayed paying various household bills (!!) and some even went into debt to donate just a bit more (!!!).

6) PUBLICLY, ON AIR, the candidate has stated that his campaign was "struggling to know what to do with all of that money."

And now, after FAILING to demonstrate that it actually followed through with the plan in #1, and keeping #6 in mind as well, along comes the campaign chairman (who draws a +30K per MONTH salary) saying that they need yet ANOTHER $23 Million, ASAP in order to "win."

Despite the fact that EVERY OTHER CAMPAIGN AND CANDIDATE has discussed their various "strategies" -- not just to their donors, but also publicly -- on TV and Radio in interviews and forums. (So is it some "secret war plan"? No one else seems to think so.)

But crucially, critically, THIS campaign believes that it does not owe ANYTHING for an explanation or information, or even a MERE HINT of it's strategy (even AFTER the fact to explain WHY the strategy was changed so dramatically in IA, NH, & SC and the other early states) to the people who are expected to sacrifice time, resources and money.

Instead the grassroots supporters are left to "speculate" on rumors and misinformation as to what the heck is REALLY going on... they are left to wonder and come up with a variety of "theories" what the "super-secret-brilliant-dynamic-duo-P.L.A.N." really IS for winning the campaign.

Even the recent addition of a "Grassroots Communications Coordinator" is nothing but a sad, sad joke... as nothing for actual communication has yet taken place -- the blog contains nothing but "wrapper" text around links to press-releases or news stories -- ALL information available either directly on the site, or elsewhere in the community.

In truth, it is the CAMPAIGN STAFF who are acting like spoiled little children that need to be taken to the woodshed and given a good, solid spanking.

And THAT is what is being done by the people NOT donating.

And it is also what is happening in each of the primaries (the VOTERS are saying "You have not convinced me to vote for you").

Most sadly is that, in the end the campaign staff WILL play the "blame game" just one time -- and they will (ironically) claim that it is the LACK OF MONEY that caused them to lose the election!

Unfortunately - I tend to think this is a pretty fair analysis.

 

[thisisgiparti]

After all the screwups in Iowa and New Hampshire from the campaign staff, my guess is that he's made the conscious decision to leave Michigan to the Grassroots. That way, no matter how we place he can just say "look, my supporters did that without my help," just like he did with the moneybombs.

just like he is doing with this MLK money bomb. he needs to take charge of this campaign and take responsibility for his successes and failures. grassroots is not being paid to run it for him. fire the people who consistently drop the ball and bring more volunteers into the loop. Boyapati and Lyman did more for him than any of those Mises kooks.

 

[Soccrmastr]

Well he really should be going down there at least one day in the time leading up to the primary there.

 

[pepperpete1]

MI Grassroots are strong

After all the screwups in Iowa and New Hampshire from the campaign staff, my guess is that he's made the conscious decision to leave Michigan to the Grassroots. That way, no matter how we place he can just say "look, my supporters did that without my help," just like he did with the moneybombs.

You are right to say that whatever happens in Michigan is because of the efforts of the grassroots.

I feel that against all the odds, media blackouts, no ads, no Ron Paul appearances, the belittling of RP and us by the competitions' supporters, and the fact that Michigan is an entrenched "old school" republican community, that we will make a good showing for Ron Paul and he will know that it is of NO thanks to his campaign leaders. Those leaders are on the more populous side of the state and I am sure had their work cut out for them. But they should not have ignored the rest of the state.

So after the primary, let's give ourselves all a pat on the back and a "Way to go!"

In the mean time let's get those signs up and knock on those doors and ring those phones and place literature in the newspaper boxes. Mailings would be a little late now.

Go Ron Paul Go

 

[Aldanga]

You are right to say that whatever happens in Michigan is because of the efforts of the grassroots.

I feel that against all the odds, media blackouts, no ads, no Ron Paul appearances, the belittling of RP and us by the competitions' supporters, and the fact that Michigan is an entrenched "old school" republican community, that we will make a good showing for Ron Paul and he will know that it is of NO thanks to his campaign leaders. Those leaders are on the more populous side of the state and I am sure had their work cut out for them. But they should not have ignored the rest of the state.

So after the primary, let's give ourselves all a pat on the back and a "Way to go!"

In the mean time let's get those signs up and knock on those doors and ring those phones and place literature in the newspaper boxes. Mailings would be a little late now.

Go Ron Paul Go

I like your attitude. Keep it up.

 

[Trance Dance Master]

1) The grassroots were (apparently falsely) led to believe that the strategy was to WIN in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina.

Strategy has changed. The official campaign needs to be flexible and adapt to conditions. Campaign where the best results can be had.

Well he really should be going down there at least one day in the time leading up to the primary there.

Not if going to Nevada is going to get him more delegates.

 

[rodo1776]

Since the idea here is to win National Convention Delegates because this is an election folks. Then Analise this which is the GOP rules and allocation for each state. See below MI has 30 delegates and read closely. The delegates are allocated in the Congressional districts in Michigan WINNER TAKES ALL. the rest at the state convention but you need 15% minimum to get delegates. Any people in Michigan think there is at least one congressional district in the state where RP can win? Maybe and hopefully but difficult.
Read further below for the Nevada rules: Nevada actually has 34 National Convention Delegates (because MI was penalized) And caucuses are easier to win if you are prepared than a whole state primary. (Iowa caucus 10% RP, NH primary 7% RP)
So while MI certainly is important and everyone in Michigan needs to get out the vote it certainly may make more sense to try to Win a state like Nevada and get some National Convention Delegates at the same time. It is strategy folks not idiots at HQ or any other nonsense. Don't feel slighted just understand and let the Commander in Chief do what is right.


MICHIGAN 2008
Numbers
30 Total Delegates
• Penalized 30 delegates per Rule No. 16
Important Dates
Primary: 1/15/08
County Conventions: 2/07/08
CD Caucus: 2/15/08
State Convention: 2/15/08 – 2/16/08
Selection Method
Primary, Convention
Delegates Bound for 1 Ballot
o 30 Bound
Selection Details
AL – Delegate allocation: Proportional if
candidate reaches 15% threshold.
Delegate election: At State Convention.
CD – Delegate allocation: Winner-take-all per
CD.
Delegate election: At CD Caucuses.

NEVADA 2008
Numbers
34 Total Delegates
• 3 RNC, 9 CD and 22 AL
Important Dates
Precinct Caucus: 1/19/2008
County Convention: 2/18/08 - 3/04/08
State Convention: 4/26/2008
Selection Method
Non-Binding Primary, Convention
Delegates Not Bound
o 34 Unbound
Selection Details
AL – Delegate allocation: n/a
Delegate election: At State Convention.
CD – Delegate allocation: n/a
Delegate election: At CD Caucuses.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

If it's any consolation for those unhappy about Paul not emphasizing Michigan, the campaign will probably have to make hard choices for the Super Tuesday races, as to which states to advertise in and which states to let go. If I were working for HQ and had to choose between spending the bucks on my state (NY, a winner take all state where hometown '9/11 hero' Giuliani is favored) and California, a state that is not winner take all and is delegate rich, I'd pick California. End game considerations trump the urge to make 'going gung ho' everywhere the priority.

 

[CraigC]

Please don't get too discouraged...Ron was in Iowa and NH, and my best guess is that him being there didn't really do much to increase the voter turnout. You can learn more about Ron Paul in a hour on YouTube than anywhere else. The grass roots getting people interested enough to learn more about "Ron Paul" is the BEST strategy we have.

Personally I have some serious doubts about the effectiveness of radio commercials. But at least they're cheap. I just want to see the RP campaign go into full gear with television ads. Many americans are still addicted to their boob tubes...I'm supporting the MLK money bomb.

Besides, Dr. Paul is running himself ragged. He is 72 years old after all. Give the man a break...let him manage his travel schedule....let him go to Las Vegas and do this thing there. He knows a lot more about how to run a campaign than any of us do.

 

[Quantumystic]

This was NOT a good choice.

We KNOW he has enough money that he could at least fly in to provide some extra "pep" for the boots on the ground.

I'm having less and less faith in the advice the Doctor is getting from these people in HQ.

Every great General knows keeping your ground forces pumped is foremost. So WHY do we have a bunch of guys from HQ that look like Ivy League weenies?

Sorry. Stanford Grads have an innate prejudice against Ivy League. We work for a living.

 

[Tuff_Fish]

Perhaps the saddest thing about this camapaign is we had people who willingly who oozed out every ounce of sweat and blood for the candidate but it was not paid back by the candidate himself.

You can't run a part-time campaign. You can't run a camapaign around your House schedule while other members of Congress have no problems missing votes. You raise $20 mil and then say you don't have enough for Michigan? You can't pass up a state that has an open primary and strong pockets of support for you. Why run the radio ads and do direct mailing and phone calls then? To place fourth?

I appreciate Dr. Paul making a run for the White House because he did not have to but its obvious he doesn't have the stamina for this. We laugh at Fred Thompson for being lazy yet he endured a bus tour of Iowa that did well enough to put him in third place and kept his campaign while our candidate was back at home over New Years. Hell, Duncan Hunter is traversing up and down Michigan, why can't Ron Paul?

Again I hate to say all this, but sadly its true. I feel bad for the meetups in Michigan who are working hard to spread the message. But like Iowa and New Hampshire, Michiganders are not going to vote for a ghost.

We have to look ahead towards the future. Hoepfully there's someone out there will to take on the burdens of the campaigning, can articulate the message and doesn't come with any past baggage. It may take a while but I still hope. Ron Paul is a beginning, not an end.

What he said.

With special emphasis.

doesn't come with any past baggage.

Tuff

 

[FSP-Rebel]

Well, Ron may not be coming to Mich, but his $$$$$ are.... In case you're wondering(and are a Mich supporter or close), we're having a party in Plymouth, Mi at the Mayflower Hotel on Tues evening (1-15-08). Oh, and the party is on the house------or us essentially. Time 4 a celebration or something thereof.

 

[LynnB]

My guess is he is playing whackomole, letting each of them go bankrupt -snipped-

The 'over 50's' call it "rope-a-dope" and let's HOPE that's what it is!

 

[Freedom&Reason]

Well, Ron may not be coming to Mich, but his $$$$$ are.... In case you're wondering(and are a Mich supporter or close), we're having a party in Plymouth, Mi at the Mayflower Hotel on Tues evening (1-15-08). Oh, and the party is on the house------or us essentially. Time 4 a celebration or something thereof.

cash bar, this means he is not spending $$$$$ besides maybe ballroom.

 

[Yooper Jo]

Also, who cares if RP isn't going to be there? To top it off, that is A-OK for those people who live close enough to go. It is a BIG state and IF we are doing our job tomorrow getting out the vote, there are a lot of us who couldn't make the "party" even if we wanted to.

 

[R_Harris]

I've said it about 10 times in threads over the past two months, and I will continue to say it, even though no one wants to hear it.

Ron is NOT a professional campaigner or politician. I know people like that, but unfortunately, you do need the professional campaigning part if you are going to have a serious chance to win a statewide or national campaign.

I really think the $20 million dollars blew HQ away, and they never dreamed that these pockets of national support would come out.

Again, as with the 1984 senate campaign and the 1988 LP presidential run, I believe that Ron put people in charge who are not experienced enough to run a serious campaign. Again, I am seeing the same things here.

I am in agreement with those who feel that abandoning Michigan by not having an appearance within a week of the primary is a big mistake.

 

[literatim]

Isn't Michigan an all or nothing State? Why would Ron Paul sink millions in Michigan for no delegates?