Ron Paul Internet Sensation on MSNBC Today

[Hook]

Why anyone would want a large uneducated class of people coming into a highly educated country is beyond me. Many of the people coming from third and fourth world countries have not even had basic immunizations that our country has been requiring for 40 years.

It's just not a very high priority with most Libertarians. They more indifferent than anything to this issue.

 

[Syren123]

Thanks for the welcome, guys.

Thanks katao for the link to the interview and your thoughts. It definitely helps ease my concern.

I still have a few minor disagreements:

1) I think the threat to our national sovereignty isn't because people are coming in here from Mexico, it's because our government is getting involved with the UN, WTO, North American Union, etc, etc. It seems like sometimes our blame for what Bush and friends are doing spills over to illegals.

2) In the article katoa linked, Ron Paul says


He says that only if we have a healthy economy, we could be very generous on work programs. I think a more free market solution would be better. I think the government should offer a work card to anyone that can get here and is willing to sign a piece of paper agreeing to obey the law (which, BTW, is already more than any of us legals do), and after a certain time limit (maybe a couple years), if the worker is not being a menace to society, they can sign another paper and gain citizenship.

There are a lot of otherwise honest people coming here illegally because it's way too difficult to do it legally.

3) I question if fence building (which Ron Paul seems to support) is very cost efficient. Surely it's more cost efficient than fighting in Iraq, but I wonder if the same logic that Ron Paul applies to the Iraqi war (i.e. our foreign policy is to blame) can't be applied to immigration (i.e. our welfare policy is to blame).

Ultimately, I wish rather than promoting fence building, we would use the problem of illegal immigration to point out the problems of government handouts.

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Am I misunderstanding Ron Paul's position?

At any rate, I love Ron Paul and have been a huge fan of his for several years (ever since I was introduced to his Texas Straight Talk articles), so these are minor concerns to me. I would gladly have Ron Paul implement his immigration policy, if it meant he were President.

No you're not misunderstanding it...but it looks like you haven't heard him speak as much as maybe some of us hardcore types have. Your points in #1 and #3 ARE his position. Our problems DO stem from our membership in world govt organizations and illegals ARE made scapegoats. Illegals DO come here because of the magnet of social programs and shutting off the magnet is CRUCIAL to controlling illegal immigration. However, he didn't so much 'promote' the fence per se and vote FOR the defense of our borders and sovereignty.

If those are your views (#1 & 3), then you most certainly do understand Ron Paul's positions and are in line with them.

 

[RobotJaxxon]

Ron Paul NEEDS friends!!!

Admittedly, I think he's doing more for liberty than the Libertarian Party could ever dream of.

I keep wanting to know... is Ron Paul supporting or endorsing any 2008 Republican congressional candidates?!?

Whether he wins the presidency or not, we NEED to get him some friends in congress. With the big influx of RP supporters into the republican party, voting in the primaries, we can probably get a small army of Ron Pauliticians into Washington. No one is paying attention to any races other than president. We CAN take over a corner of the republican party. But we need to know who to vote for!!

Can we find some good libertarians to run for congress as Republicans?

 

[AlexAmore]

I would run for something except i'm 19....doh.

 

[zimmru]

Well, I hijacked the thread a little, but these posts have been very helpful.

Looks like I was a bit mistaken about Ron Paul's desire to fence-build. That's really good to hear. The more I've researched it, the more comfortable I am with Ron Paul's stance. I heard that Ron Paul wants to "secure our borders" and I just starting assuming too much.

RobotJaxxon, you bring up a good point. I'm already planning on switching back to Republican so I can vote for Ron Paul in the primaries, but if the Republicans could get some more limited goverment candidates, I might stay there.