Why? Why should he throw away the rest of his political capital on a group even smaller than his father had? And Ron didn't "send" anyone.
Ron Paul: I wouldn't support Trump as GOP nominee
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Why? Why should he throw away the rest of his political capital on a group even smaller than his father had? And Ron didn't "send" anyone.
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This... so much this. Some of us donated hundreds to his campaign that could have went to important things. I was never a Cruz or Rubio or any other fan, Trump was always my second choice and a hard second at that. Rand would have never gotten $800 out of me had I known he planned to roll over and die after Iowa, just my two cents. Between Ron and Rand I'm now out a few thousands bucks so yes, I'm with Dianne, I'm pissed off.
Actually Ron wanted to run. He didn't send his son, he got out of his way.
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You need to ban yourself for posting crap like this.
I don't get it. Why on earth did you see him having a chance? And if you didn't.... Then why would you want him to spend MORE donated campaign money on a losing campaign?
What could Rand do? He had no shot of winning the nomination at that point. You have to know when to cut your losses and move on. He has a job in the Senate, and a seat to hold onto. He tried for the nomination, you can't expect more of him than that. When the battle is lost, the smart man recognizes it and shifts his focus to the battles he can win. Thankfully Rand is smart enough and wise enough to do that.
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To give up after Iowa is what pissed me off, I understand not wanting to spend more money, but don't roll over on us, not after the first caucus.
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You need to face reality. I've been on this train five years before you even found this forum. You weren't here when Ron ran, both times so why the hell you think I should ban myself? If you had the blood, sweat and tears, most of us have put in to Ron's campaigns, you would understand. Being a newbie, you don't. I can't help but feel abandoned, since Rand left the race.
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Umm... where did Ron tell you who not to vote for?
Ron was asked directly if HE could support Trump, and he said no. Is Ron not allowed to express his opinion?
Staying in through Iowa was already considered crazy by many with no particular loyalty to Rand.. He stayed, hoping that his ground game in Iowa would give him a miraculous boost in the caucus results. Instead he did exactly as was polled. That meant it was time to get out before wasting what political credibility he still had.
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So, who is he supporting? Who is he endorsing?
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Rand has said from day 1 it will not be like Ron 2008 or Ron 2012, he will not keep running a campaign he knows he can't win. But you didn't even know until a couple months ago he endorsed Mitt in 2012, when there have been dozens of threads for dozens of pages on here about it for 4 years, so I guess I really can't expect you to know very much about the campaign you supposedly were supporting.
My wife and I maxed out in 2008 and besides that I gave up a shit ton of hours and hours of time promoting Ron Paul, creating signs, going to RP meetups weekly, standing outside the debate in Ft. Lauderdale all day and night handing out flyers and talking to people. Besides maxing out, also donating to the blimp, the fly overs (I think we in Miami paid for the first airplane one nationally), and a dozen other fund raising projects many from this forum. Man we shelled out thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours. We were all trying, and experimenting and wanted to do whatever we could.
At the end of the day, I felt it was me supporting liberty and freedom and doing the most I could do to educate and further enhance the message of freedom. I'm not going to hold Ron Paul responsible for the rest of his life for my everything I sacrificed. I absolutely remember the taste of defeat and it was bitter and awful, but still felt the cause moved forward because we got a couple liberty candidates nationally and locally in office and we got the audit the fed bill moving.
It did wake up some politicians seeing what the RP run did, and it did push forward something as mundane sounding as Audit the Fed. I think it gave Rand Some instant credibility whereas Ron was an alone odd congressmen for 3 decades except for the the very tail end of his career.
I can completely relate to being pissed and feeling terrible, because it doesn't take long for me to recall the feeling sitting in the Miami RP office and feeling about as low as it gets. We spent a year of our lives to get RP's name out there and we had nothing to show for it when the FL primary came around. But like I said the movement continued in other ways.
I don't think we've seen the last of Rand. I think he saw the Trump mania, saw the ISIS fear mongering, needed to regroup and keep his spot in Kentucky, and we will be seeing a lot more of Rand in the future. I think he's going to make a name for himself in the Senate, speak more and get heard and raise his profile as a seasoned well known senator before he tries again.
In the shortterm is definitely hurts but I think long run he will have a good strategy.
At the end of the day, I felt it was me supporting liberty and freedom and doing the most I could do to educate and further enhance the message of freedom. I'm not going to hold Ron Paul responsible for the rest of his life for my everything I sacrificed. I absolutely remember the taste of defeat and it was bitter and awful, but still felt the cause moved forward because we got a couple liberty candidates nationally and locally in office and we got the audit the fed bill moving.
It did wake up some politicians seeing what the RP run did, and it did push forward something as mundane sounding as Audit the Fed. I think it gave Rand Some instant credibility whereas Ron was an alone odd congressmen for 3 decades except for the the very tail end of his career.
I can completely relate to being pissed and feeling terrible, because it doesn't take long for me to recall the feeling sitting in the Miami RP office and feeling about as low as it gets. We spent a year of our lives to get RP's name out there and we had nothing to show for it when the FL primary came around. But like I said the movement continued in other ways.
I don't think we've seen the last of Rand. I think he saw the Trump mania, saw the ISIS fear mongering, needed to regroup and keep his spot in Kentucky, and we will be seeing a lot more of Rand in the future. I think he's going to make a name for himself in the Senate, speak more and get heard and raise his profile as a seasoned well known senator before he tries again.
In the shortterm is definitely hurts but I think long run he will have a good strategy.
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No one. He didn't endorse anyone in 2012 or 2008 either.
Why does it matter. Is he the captain of your soul? Maybe he supports no one this time around. I don't. Should I just come up with someone to appease people as well?
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Yeah, guys. Don't get mad at Ron because you support Trump and he doesn't. There's a lot of people who are behind Trump on here coming out of the closet now that Rand's done. And a lot of that is based on antihero/despair politics, of "fuck it". Ron is a peace/hope/hippy guy. He's the last guy to throw in the towel. And he is really the soft chewy center in the middle of the crusty shell of neocon that people want Trump to smash to bits.
I think we can understand his position. He doesn't support Trump in principle or spirit. I think many people who "support" Trump do "in the spirit" of what he represents and not on principle, obviously. I think Ron gets that too.
Chillaaaaaaaaaaaaaax.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPwvWTs3MI8 Somewhere between 1:15:00-1:20:00 he says he doesn't want to run for president again. I have not seen anything from Ron since he lost the GOP nomination in 2012 about him wanting to run for president agian.
Chuck Baldwin in 2008, no?
Ya Constitution Party. It got a little BUMP, most votes ever 200K, thanks to Ron's stamp of approval.
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I don't support Trump either. But the second guessing when we don't have Ron; we don't have Rand... So who the f'k does Ron suggest we support?
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