Ron Paul hints at Indie Run!

I see the shills are out in full force. He could have said no, he did not. Is that not a HINT?
 
ItsTime said:
I see the shills are out in full force. He could have said no, he did not. Is that not a HINT?
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No, it's not a hint. It's him having a vocabularly consisting of more than monosyllabic affirmations and negations.
 
Sorry but not saying no and then continuing in the same breath to say that voters should have a conservative choice is a pretty big hint in my book.

yongrel said:
No, it's not a hint. It's him having a vocabularly consisting of more than monosyllabic affirmations and negations.
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yongrel said:
No, it's not a hint. It's him having a vocabularly consisting of more than monosyllabic affirmations and negations.
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However clearly Ron Paul answers to the 3rd party question, some people here interpret it the same way.

He has previously been more emphatic in ruling out the idea, true. However, his answer was probably intended to criticise both the Republican and Democratic frontrunners and make it clear what the Paul campaign is about, rather than being an about-face on the independent run question.
 
ItsTime said:
Sorry but not saying no and then continuing in the same breath to say that voters should have a conservative choice is a pretty big hint in my book.
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I'm certainly not sorry.

Besides, getting him on the ballot could be enough to get him the G.O.P. nomination. They don't want their vote split--at least not the rank and file (the neocons may not care, since they're happy with Hillobama).

Never say never.
 
amy31416 said:
I understand your irritation about RP not being aggressive enough, but if you look at it from a different perspective, perhaps you'll understand it: I believe that RP ran for president as a way to get his message out, to inspire the next generation to inquire into the political process and create leaders who would enter the congress, the senate, hell--any political process, in order to get this country moving back into the right direction.
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You know what the main problem with this is?

MOST people have such a short attention span as it is. In 4 years, exactly how many of us are still going to be politically involved? I'd be totally surprised if it were any more than 50% of RP's base, especially considering how many young people there are who are so fledgling to the political process as it is. I expect many of those young people to wither away and go back into distraction. Maybe I think much less of people in general than others, but hasn't it become obvious that there isn't very much to be expected from the masses anyway?

I hope I'm wrong about that. I hope that every single person who has awakened to RP's message STAYS awake, and does not become once again politically apathetic.

Our biggest challenge was educating people on the actual political process. Most people still think it's just "show up and vote", and that's all you need to do.

We need every single one of us to maintain the momentum we've built and continue it on.

I just fear that without that current face to put to the activism, that the momentum will wither away.

The most important thing to remember is, it's not about the man, and it never was. It's the MESSAGE.
 
Possible 'backdoor' brokered GOP convention scenario, involving an independent run:

Paul supporters continue to win overt delegates, or stealth delegates for two more months. Paul supporters gain majority status (at least as stealth delegates) in 6 or more states/territories. Bad news about how disastrously McCain will lose in November continues to pour in (as in polls showing him losing by double digits), such that the whole party is aware by mid June. Then Paul speaks at the June 21 march and announces to plus or minus 100,000 attendees he's starting an independent run. The movement immediately roars back to life, and the campaign to depose McCain through Rule 32 begins.

GOP convention Rule 32 basically says you need only majorities of six delegations to call for a suspension of the rules. Repeat, six delegations total, NOT a majority of delegates or delegations, are all that's needed. The stealth delegates would NOT be bound to oppose suspending the rules. The Paul supporter-controlled delegations do so at the convention, for the purposes of unbinding all delegates. All at once, all the different delegate binding rules are thrown out, and everyone can vote their conscience. McCain then fails to win on the first ballot, and we're off to the races.

Rank and file Republicans, knowingly facing certain defeat in November under McCain, and also knowing Paul would be on the ballot as an independent regardless, could convert to Paul under this scenario. But the show of strength by Paul supporters at the march and in delegate gathering, plus his announcing an indy run, are the needed catalysts to make this work.
 
Peace&Freedom said:
Possible 'backdoor' brokered GOP convention scenario, involving an independent run:

Paul supporters continue to win overt delegates, or stealth delegates for two more months. Paul supporters gain majority status (at least as stealth delegates) in 6 or more states/territories. Bad news about how disastrously McCain will lose in November continues to pour in (as in polls showing him losing by double digits), such that the whole party is aware by mid June. Then Paul speaks at the June 21 march and announces to plus or minus 100,000 attendees he's starting an independent run. The movement immediately roars back to life, and the campaign to depose McCain through Rule 32 begins.

GOP convention Rule 32 basically says you need only majorities of six delegations to call for a suspension of the rules. Repeat, six delegations total, NOT a majority of delegates or delegations, are all that's needed. The stealth delegates would NOT be bound to oppose suspending the rules. The Paul supporter-controlled delegations do so at the convention, for the purposes of unbinding all delegates. All at once, all the different delegate binding rules are thrown out, and everyone can vote their conscience. McCain then fails to win on the first ballot, and we're off to the races.

Rank and file Republicans, knowingly facing certain defeat in November under McCain, and also knowing Paul would be on the ballot as an independent regardless, could convert to Paul under this scenario. But the show of strength by Paul supporters at the march and in delegate gathering, plus his announcing an indy run, are the needed catalysts to make this work.
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This is a great scenario concerning getting VOTERS to get on board eventually, but the DC establishment and their puppet masters do not care about party. There is a bigger agenda, and either party will suit that agenda.

The establishment is what we are up against. We're not even really up against the voters per se, no matter how much it might seem like we are.

You have to get past the left/right, dem/repub paradigm.
 
Granted. Now, are most delegates the RNC and Skull and Bones types, or are most rank-and-file conservative Republicans who want to see their party survive?
 
I seem to recall suggesting he start his third party run a couple months ago everyone seemed to reject that idea, now you say it may be too late,
 
The convention is in September. I'm not sure, but I would think most states have their filing deadlines around or before that time. You can't wait that long and then run independent and be on the ballot.
 
RonPaulFanInGA said:
The convention is in September. I'm not sure, but I would think most states have their filing deadlines around or before that time. You can't wait that long and then run independent and be on the ballot.
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True--which is why I've been advocating for a time to do the petitions this summer. That and they'll be a great big stick that'll allow Dr. Paul to speak oh, so softly when negotiating at the convention.
 
acptulsa said:
True--which is why I've been advocating for a time to do the petitions this summer. That and they'll be a great big stick that'll allow Dr. Paul to speak oh, so softly when negotiating at the convention.
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It's really not a big stick at all. To be honest, I think the kind of Republicans who voted for McCain or any of the other candidates would rather see Paul leave the party.
 
Shed said:
It's really not a big stick at all. To be honest, I think the kind of Republicans who voted for McCain or any of the other candidates would rather see Paul leave the party.
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Would they prefer that we go, too--and take our young votes with us? What future will they have then?
 
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