Ron Paul has a woman problem: Time to address it

[Boss]

Well, a lot of people are going to bash me for this...but,

we are not going to get the baby boomers. Ron has repeatedly stated that he will not touch SS and Medicare. They have rejected Ron's message because they are so wrapped up in the entitlement system. Think about it, it is all they know. So when someone gets up there and says he thinks it's unconstitutional, even though he will protect it, they are automatically turned off.

I couldn't agree more.

But they have a valid point, because for many of them, its not a true "ENTITLEMENT" in the same sense as welfare. They DID pay into the Social Security system for decades upon decades. They just want out what they put in. And in a lot of states (like Illinois, where I'm at), people had their retirement investments wiped out and the only thing they have left is the contract they made with the federal government that stated in exchange for paying social security taxes all of these years, they would be taken care of. With the debt closing in on $20,000,000,000,000 - rational self interest kicks in. They just want to have a place to live and a doctor to help them as they reach their golden years--and the fed govt promised them they would have it. The thing thats awful about it is that the youth must foot the bill, and we don't even get the promise that SS will be there for us! We're just bailing them out.

 

[No Free Beer]

I couldn't agree more.

But they have a valid point, because for many of them, its not a true "ENTITLEMENT" in the same sense as welfare. They DID pay into the Social Security system for decades upon decades. They just want out what they put in. And in a lot of states (like Illinois, where I'm at), people had their retirement investments wiped out and the only thing they have left is the contract they made with the federal government that stated in exchange for paying social security taxes all of these years, they would be taken care of. With the debt closing in on $20,000,000,000,000 - rational self interest kicks in. They just want to have a place to live and a doctor to help them as they reach their golden years--and the fed govt promised them they would have it. The thing thats awful about it is that the youth must foot the bill, and we don't even get the promise that SS will be there for us! We're just bailing them out.

But, they are receiving 3x what they put in. In that Stossel episode, some of those older people are living in 500k dollar homes. They go to the doctor's office everyday! They say it is more of a social event that actually a health related one.

THEY ARE ROBBING US!!!!

When Stossel asked one lady about what she thought of herself stealing so much money, she responded, "LIFE ISN'T FAIR."

This is what we are up against...

 

[SWATH]

I know less about women than...anyone else in the world so I won't speculate but here is my anecdotal data points.

Sister-in-law: Likes Romney out of all the Republicans because he's handsome and looks distinguished but is a Hillary supporter because she is a woman.
Grandmother: Like Newt Gingrich because he seems the most decent, doesn't like Ron Paul because his voice annoys her and he doesn't seem presidential.
Mother: Liked Bill Clinton because he was the most handsome, doesn't like Ron Paul because he is a Republican
All my aunts: same as above.
Elderly female neighbor: Liked Bill Clinton because he got a blowjob and wasn't afraid to admit it???
Mother-in-law: Doesn't like Ron Paul because he just doesn't get enough media coverage.
Wife: Likes Ron Paul only because I do, but would not go and vote for him unless I made her do it.
Female co-worker: Doesn't like Ron Paul because he is pro-life and against entitlements, is a huge Obama supporter.
Friends wife: Loves Ron Paul for all the right reasons, is a very active Ron Paul supporter.
Female friend: Liked Ron Paul at first because I did, now has really come to like him on her own but does not actively support him
Female coworker: Liked Bush and was a neocon, but has really come around to Ron Paul on her own after I talked about him so much.

Those are all the ones off the top of my head.

 

[Boss]

@No more free beer

I know. I agree. I don't want to ignore those who are legitimately being exploited either, however (ex: those in their 50's and early 60's who lost their retirement and are counting on SS, which the fed gov't promised to them).

The only thing holding back our generation is that we are healthy enough and optimistic enough that many of us just don't care. If we acted in our own rational self-interest to the same degree that the baby boomers do, we could leave THEM on the hook, instead of them leaving US on the hook (although RP has proposed the perfect middle-of-the-road concept by not touching SS but reigning it in over time, and making $1 tril in cuts in other places). What do you think the likelihood of this happening is? Its up to our generation -- their generation is doing their part.

 

[affa]

I am happy to report my wife absolutely loves Ron Paul. She despises Gingrich, despised Cain, hates Santorum, and doesn't trust Romney.

She adores any picture of Ron Paul with Carol.
I gave her the cookbook for christmas, and she read the bio, and thought it was the cutest thing ever.

 

[No Free Beer]

I am happy to report my wife absolutely loves Ron Paul. She despises Gingrich, despised Cain, hates Santorum, and doesn't trust Romney.

She adores any picture of Ron Paul with Carol.
I gave her the cookbook for christmas, and she read the bio, and thought it was the cutest thing ever.

+rep for you and your wife.

 

[cdw]

I know less about women than...anyone else in the world so I won't speculate but here is my anecdotal data points.

Sister-in-law: Likes Romney out of all the Republicans because he's handsome and looks distinguished but is a Hillary supporter because she is a woman.
Grandmother: Like Newt Gingrich because he seems the most decent, doesn't like Ron Paul because his voice annoys her and he doesn't seem presidential.
Mother: Liked Bill Clinton because he was the most handsome, doesn't like Ron Paul because he is a Republican
All my aunts: same as above.
Elderly female neighbor: Liked Bill Clinton because he got a blowjob and wasn't afraid to admit it???
Mother-in-law: Doesn't like Ron Paul because he just doesn't get enough media coverage.
Wife: Likes Ron Paul only because I do, but would not go and vote for him unless I made her do it.
Female co-worker: Doesn't like Ron Paul because he is pro-life and against entitlements, is a huge Obama supporter.
Friends wife: Loves Ron Paul for all the right reasons, is a very active Ron Paul supporter.
Female friend: Liked Ron Paul at first because I did, now has really come to like him on her own but does not actively support him
Female coworker: Liked Bush and was a neocon, but has really come around to Ron Paul on her own after I talked about him so much.

Those are all the ones off the top of my head.

 

[cheapseats]

I think the problem is with them, not us.

Exactly.

Often wrong, but never in doubt.

 

[afwjam]

I will tell you what it is. Both women and older voters are irrationally scared of EVERYTHING. Ron Paul represents the unknown and a scary future of self-reliance. The majority of them will never come around. Lets be happy with the few we have that use thought rather then emotions to make their choice. Both groups are extremely susceptible to MSM propaganda, especially the older folks. You would think a women's intuition would tell them that Ron Paul is the only one to be trusted, but attractiveness, power and security unfortunately seem to play a much bigger part in what they want.

 

[Czolgosz]

Humankind is ripe for control. We're not in this mess because authoritarians are crafty and slick.


For liberty to prevail the war must be fought on multiple fronts.

 

[milo10]

I know less about women than...anyone else in the world so I won't speculate but here is my anecdotal data points.

Sister-in-law: Likes Romney out of all the Republicans because he's handsome and looks distinguished but is a Hillary supporter because she is a woman.
Grandmother: Like Newt Gingrich because he seems the most decent, doesn't like Ron Paul because his voice annoys her and he doesn't seem presidential.
Mother: Liked Bill Clinton because he was the most handsome, doesn't like Ron Paul because he is a Republican
All my aunts: same as above.
Elderly female neighbor: Liked Bill Clinton because he got a blowjob and wasn't afraid to admit it???
Mother-in-law: Doesn't like Ron Paul because he just doesn't get enough media coverage.
Wife: Likes Ron Paul only because I do, but would not go and vote for him unless I made her do it.
Female co-worker: Doesn't like Ron Paul because he is pro-life and against entitlements, is a huge Obama supporter.
Friends wife: Loves Ron Paul for all the right reasons, is a very active Ron Paul supporter.
Female friend: Liked Ron Paul at first because I did, now has really come to like him on her own but does not actively support him
Female coworker: Liked Bush and was a neocon, but has really come around to Ron Paul on her own after I talked about him so much.

Those are all the ones off the top of my head.

Interesting. Thanks for sharing that.

 

[Maximus]

I am happy to report my wife absolutely loves Ron Paul. She despises Gingrich, despised Cain, hates Santorum, and doesn't trust Romney.

She adores any picture of Ron Paul with Carol.
I gave her the cookbook for christmas, and she read the bio, and thought it was the cutest thing ever.

This. I bought 25 cookbooks, have handed out all but four, and the response is really overwhelming.

 

[asurfaholic]

My observation after speaking to ladies, they rely on their father figures for who to vote for. If not fathers, then respected elder. This is the case in at least 3 different situations, which includes about all of the women I've spoken to in the last 16 years....I kid I kid..

But seriously... "my dad said ron paul would let iran get a nuke." <-- this girl is trying to come around, and she is almost there...


But we can't give up. My wife supports ron paul - because of me. The above quoted girl is close, but only because I am trying so hard to win her over. My mom supports ron paul, because of me. We can get ladies support, we just have to try...

Most females I know just aren't interested in politics... gotta find a way to break the ice.

 

[jasonxe]

Ron Paul sounds like Ron Paw which is a dog. Females are cats so they don't like paws but mittens which are for kittens.

Females don't have fond memories of their obgyn.

Old people are jealous that Paul is hip with young people while their grandchildren ignores them.

In all honesty, if we have that kid from last night in every caucus to speak, it will change their minds. People aren't 100% solid with their choices because there rational for choosing them is weak. Put a few truth bombers and remove the collectivism mindset of beating Obama and you win. (Paul doesn't go after Obama enough imo.)

 

[jasonxe]

dp

 

[Matthew Zak]

The problem is nice guys finish last.

Ron Paul needs to accidentally drop an f-bomb during a debate, or compare candidates knowledge of the constitution to penis size. Then he'll get their attention.

 

[silk30]

Bwahahahahaha OP are you serious? Time to address it? At this point in this election?!


Here's a dose of reality for ya. It's too late. Too late to address this problem or any problem at all. This election was done even before Iowa, it was done even before the Ames straw poll because people still think you can ignore the corporate media propaganda machine and have success.

Yes OP, there is a women's vote problem as much as there's a senior's vote problem, these two problems needed to be addressed like a year ago. And if we did, we'd realized that both problems are mainly caused by propaganda so in order to deal with them we'd had to have developed our own propaganda to combat the status quo propaganda and then found a way other than the corporate media to effectively have spread it. And we needed to do this before we wasted, YES WASTED, +$25 million dollars of donated money, mostly giving it to non other than our biggest enemy - the corporate media.


Thinking about doing something now? You just got to be kidding..

p.s.: Thank you in advance for all the negative reps that I know I'll get by the disillusioned who wont be able to control their emotions reading this dose of reality, I understand you can't help yourself and it's just our human nature..

p.s.2: I and many others told you so.

For some reason, a good number of people think that we always have to a positive spin on everything, and I'm afraid that when they do that, they are ignoring reality. While your post is blunt and "negative", it is absolutely true. Seniors and women voters should have been addressed long before this, RP's campaign knew that RP did poorly among those two voting blocks back in '08, and it has been the same with the early on polling when he declared his candidacy for 2012.
I've posted a few times about this, and have seen other posts, but the responses I've seen are generally either "The campaign is doing fine, they have a plan, everything is going according to design et et" or just no response at all. We all should have calling the campaign and demanded they address these problems, and we have every right to do so, because not only do we support RP with our votes and trying to persuade other voters, but we support him and the message with our $$$ as well. Anyway, your post is spot on, but I gotta say election fraud bothers me just as much as MSM corporate media. I am now remembering why I stayed out of politics.

 

[silk30]

I just realized I'm a socially awkward penguin.

Nah, nothing awkward about you. People are just too sensitive and PC these days. I've never seen anything wrong with a little bit of gender teasing, as long as it isn't mean spirited and it is clear that you are joking. You weren't mean or nasty about it, and you made it clear in your post and following posts that you were joking. I wouldn't even worry about it bud. Love the pic though, that is funny.

 

[Fredom101]

We went through this in 08. I talked to a lot of women, most are usually democrats, but the Republican women out here in CA anyway are hung up on the abortion issue. They literally think that RP is going to ban abortions nationwide, and all the evidence to the contrary can't sway them.

 

[Valli6]

just my thoughts...

I'm a somewhat older woman and have been supporting Ron Paul since I saw him in a debate in 2007. I did not pay close attention to politics before that time (except to complain), because I had never heard a politician sound so honest before, and believed that the powerful kept the deck stacked to favor the liars/wealthy/elite, and we really had no recourse. In the past, I'd voted for Perot and Nader.

I suspect many woman don't pay much attention to elections or candidates, at least not till the last minute, because they are busy with their own lives. That is, their lives and the people in their lives have more "urgency" about them, than elections which are about complex issues, the future, things we feel unlikely to have any affect on.

That said, I think many woman who are otherwise unfamiliar with Ron Paul, would be attracted to the way he discusses his marriage. All the other politicians say standard crap about their wives - "I love her very much!" "She's the mother of my X wonderful children and an amazing friend! "She's stood by me!" Ron Paul sounds more real. Remember the woman who recently said, "I don't feel like I'm dating him!" meaning that she knows he's not just saying what he thinks she wants to hear?

For example, these excerpts from the Piers Morgan interview could get their attention.

PM: What's the secret of a long lasting marriage?

RP: I think a lot of it is respect, and acceptance of both of our shortcomings, and I just think that if you have respect for other people and reject the whole idea that you force people, either intimidate or, you know- I don't like it in politics and I don't like it in a personal relationship. "You do it my way or els!" I think people get into trouble when they try to force their way on others, and certainly in a good marriage you shouldn't be using intimidation and force to try to get along. It might (?) be a better way. (laughs)

PM: What would she say are your shortcomings?

RP: Oh she'd probably be pretty generous you know and not want to talk about…

(Me: He looks all "Aw shucks!" - kind of embarrassed that he already knows that his wife would only say nice things about him. It's adorable! )​

PM: Well what do you think they are? You're(?) being self critical.

RP: Well, I can get upset and when - and most people don't realize I do get upset! Unfortunately, she gets on the receiving end. You know, even if I get tired on the campaign - if I complain about the campaign I usually don't go to the campaign manager - I complain to her!

Me: Ha, Ha! You complain most to a loving spouse because you know they'll side with you!)​

RP continues: ...But I think that that's been part of it. You know, if she has a problem - if she's not feeling well, or she has something, she's allowed to come to me, so, maybe a good marriage is being a sounding board for the other person.

(Me: Awwwww…sniff… :o It's the marriage everyone wants! Better than hair!
From a psychological standpoint: if you don't have that marriage, you can at least vote to have a president like that.)​

Watch this part here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8eVkLMIlUg#t=2m23s