Ron Paul has a woman problem: Time to address it

[Txrose4ever]

dont know if this has been said yet and I hope I dont get bashed for saying it but.....women dont use logic to formulate conclusions, they use emotion. We need to play off of that.

I am female, over 50, Baby boomer. I have a great job in business, worked hard all my life, and probably think more like a man than a lot of women. However, not all women fit the description you give above. I do agree that you must capture SOME women's attention on an emotional level initially, and once you do that, they will become more curious and open to the logic of it all. The point is, you must be able to show "what's in it for them", and how a Paul win will benefit them as compared to other candidates. This is actually true of men as well.

When men speak of things, often it is with a broad stroke. Women need details. This is why when you come home from work in a bad mood because you dealt with some crap at the office, she isn't satisfied with your response that your day sucked because of a conflict you had. She wants all the juicy details, how it happened, what happened, etc. This is why when she tells YOU a story, your eyes roll up in your head, because she gives so much information you really didn't want to know.

People support Paul for a variety of reasons. For me, it really all boiled down to integrity. Watching the debt ceiling debacle over the summer really got me angry at BOTH parties. Watching how hard it was for my 19 year old daughter to find a job. Seeing many of my friends out of work. Getting fed UP with partisan politics where our government ignored the will of the people to do whatever they wished. The Bail outs. Being unable to sell my house because of the Real estate mess. The constant posturing for war. The realization that our government was no longer working to serve the people, but only corporations and lobbyists. These things really mattered to me. These things did galvanize my emotion. Then I really started listening to Ron Paul, and became more and more impressed with the man.
Do I agree whole heartedly with his whole platform? NO. But most of it, YES. Because when one really gets down to it, many of the side issues that are brought up, as red herrings to divert people from the most important issues, do not MATTER if we lose our freedoms and our liberties. Only a person of integrity and character who champions our Constitution and who has the backbone to stand for what is right, against all odds, someone who is willing to knock the status quo and speak the truth, someone who is not in this for political glory or profit, is FIT to be our President, and capable of making decisions and using veto power to stop this onslaught of corruption. There are many pieces of the puzzle here to reach women voters.

 

[cheapseats]

The only thing holding back our generation is that we are healthy enough and optimistic enough that many of us just don't care.

You SURE that's the only thing holding you back?

If we acted in our own rational self-interest to the same degree that the baby boomers do, we could leave THEM on the hook...

Big talk. HOW?

 

[Txrose4ever]

I know it's kind of cheesy but pushing the whole ob/gyn thing might work. Doesn't have much to do with his policies (maybe abortion) but it might pull some women voters out. Or scare them, who knows

This makes absolutely no difference to me. And wouldn't for most women.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

maybe if men had more respect and knew how to treat women they would want to get more involved. There are some creepers around the meetups and even on this forum.

 

[cheapseats]

For some reason, a good number of people think that we always have to a positive spin on everything, and I'm afraid that when they do that, they are ignoring reality...

Lotta that goin' around.

 

[afwjam]

Txrose4ever You make a lot of sense. Glad to have you on board.

 

[Cinderella]

Well my fiance supports Ron Paul because I made him lol.

I love Dr. Paul....I love everything about that man....so I will fill you in on just a few reasons...

I love that he has delivered over 4000 babies! I wish he was my doctor
I love that he will bring my brother back home and restore my family!! My daughter will have her uncle back. My mother will have her ONLY son back. I will have my little brother back home, my only brother, my best friend....damn I miss him. I tear up just typing this....
I love that Dr. Paul is in touch with our addiction to spending money we DONT have in this country. And he has a plan to get us out of this mess...
I love that Dr. Paul is a grandpa...hes so freaking cute....just pulls on my heart strings
I love that Carol Paul and I share the same name! my name is Carol I aspire to be as happy and in love as she and Dr. Paul are in their marriage. The photo of him presenting her flowers on their anniversary made me cry, it was SO freaking SWEET!! ---- I am one of those emotional girls that wears her heart on her sleeve.
I love that Dr. Paul is modest.


After SOPA was almost passed and now this whole ACTA thing, Ive decided to start making videos about my support for Dr. Paul. I figured its only a matter of time before they start censoring everything online...Ive made 3 videos so far on YouTube and Ive gotten pretty good responses. Ive put them in grassroots but they get burried so quickly. There are not many women supporters putting themselves out there online, which was another reason why I'm doing it.

 

[Txrose4ever]

Sometimes voters do and think silly things, but they usually do so because they haven't had anyone they trust discuss issues they're worried about in a way that satisfied them.

All of the logic, all of the populist rancor, all of the virtue.... it's on our side. We've just got to continue to spend time helping others come to the conclusions that we have.

YOu are correct about this.

 

[cheapseats]

Humankind is ripe for control.

The flip side of absence of Responsibility is ALWAYS loss of Control. Few, few, FEW are those who do SOMETHING FOR NOTHING. got Mother Theresa?

Most people don't WANT to be in charge. They don't WANT the pressure. They don't WANT the blame.

We're not in this mess because authoritarians are crafty and slick.

Conscienceless Uber Rich are even craftier and slicker. There is no SNEAKING UP ON THEM.

Make no mistake, a LANDSLIDE is required for someone without the inner sanctum STAMP OF APPROVAL to slip past Oval Office = ULTIMATE CORNER OFFICE security.

For liberty to prevail the war must be fought on multiple fronts.

In spades.

 

[kasjun]

I know from personal experience that my wife likes most of Ron Pauls positions but she thinks he is too old to be president. Possibly other women think that too.

 

[cheapseats]

The problem is nice guys finish last.

It follows that Nice Guys PERMIT Bad Guys to swashbuckle with impunity.

 

[Valli6]

...probably think more like a man than a lot of women. However, not all women fit the description you give above.

Probably true of me also. All my siblings were males and my life didn't revolve around all girly things. In my own situation, at that time, I saw no advantages to being female, only disadvantages. I think this is what made me think like a libertarian. I was always pleading for rules that applied to every one equally.

I do agree that you must capture SOME women's attention on an emotional level initially, and once you do that, they will become more curious and open to the logic of it all.

Agree. See my post on page 10 of this thread for 1 idea that could attract attention.

 

[cheapseats]

dont know if this has been said yet and I hope I dont get bashed for saying it but.....women dont use logic to formulate conclusions, they use emotion. We need to play off of that.

I would never bash you for speaking the truth, sir.

Sooo, it was illogical WOMEN behind our invasion of Iraq, a country that did NOT conspire on 9/11?

Which bitch de-pegged the dollar from gold?

 

[KingNothing]

Sooo, it was illogical WOMEN behind our invasion of Iraq, a country that did NOT conspire on 9/11?

Which bitch de-pegged the dollar from gold?

Who said anything about the shot callers being intelligent or trustworthy?

 

[Txrose4ever]

study after study say women are more concerned with the existence of a safety net, whether they use it or not, being more likely to head up one parent families and more likely to be one paycheck away from poverty. Address how Ron's plan protects social security and medicare and transfers the safety net to the states, in block grants, before ending the federal administration of it, and you will address the disparate concerns of seniors and women both, measurably. I also think rule of law is a good one, as well.

This is a big part of it. There are also more elderly women than men, who depend on social security to survive. I AM one of those women who headed a single parent family, and have never had need of any social safety net, because I worked my ass off and was fortunate enough not to need it, and YES, at times suffered, but at the same time, I believe there must be some sort of safety net out there. Being a Baby Boomer, I do want my social security when the time comes. I am 54 years old, single, and have paid my dues. I am not prepared for retirement without it, and neither are many others who grew up with the assumption this is what one did and how one did it. You don't change the rules of the game this far in. That being said, it also needs to be noted that Ron Paul is not the only one who mentions reforming Socvial security/Medicare. It is a
ALL of them. He is just the one that gets hammered for it. Social Security can be solvent if they would just raise the income limit for which they collect it. But why should our government do what makes sense and is so simple?

 

[cheapseats]

Who said anything about the shot callers being intelligent or trustworthy?

Sooo, will you vocalize agreement with an assertion that MEN LACK INTELLIGENCE & TRUSTWORTHINESS, the same way that you vocalized agreement with an assertion that "women don't use logic to formulate conclusions"?

 

[Boss]

You SURE that's the only thing holding you back?

You SURE it isn't? I speak from anecdotal experience, being that I am part of the under 30 crowd and that I associate with many who are the same (further, I haven't found any studies lately that affirmatively determine the cause of voter apathy amongst the youth).

I find that because of our general good health and optimism about our future (ex: "we can become whatever we reasonably dream of in the greatest country on earth"), many members of my age bracket tend to fall into the snares of neoliberalism, sometimes (although far less often) into the trap of neoconservatism, and sometimes into a temporary apathetic mindstate. It is important to not put the cart before the horse; I'm speaking of CAUSES (good health + optimism), not of results (apathy + neoliberalism).

Big talk. HOW?

By ending SS! As I pointed out, the prospects of SS coming into effect when we retire are horrible (further, note that if Mitt gets into office the retirement age gets pushed back to 67..and 40 years from now the retirement age will probably be in the 70s somewhere).

Obviously, I don't think we should leave the baby boomers out to dry (not that we have a big enough voting block to do so anyway). Ron Paul has the ideal solution that accommodates both those who have been forced to be systematically dependent on the government (those in need of SS in the next decade or two) and my generation who say: why pay for someone else's SS when the system will be gone by the time we can collect?

 

[AhuwaleKaNaneHuna]

The thread title makes it sound as if Paul has PMS. lol



Good luck figuring women out on this one. lol

 

[KingNothing]

Originally Posted by KingNothing
Sometimes voters do and think silly things, but they usually do so because they haven't had anyone they trust discuss issues they're worried about in a way that satisfied them.

All of the logic, all of the populist rancor, all of the virtue.... it's on our side. We've just got to continue to spend time helping others come to the conclusions that we have.

YOu are correct about this.

Indeed, I am.

It's important to recognize how to best to communicate the message, though. With a lot of guys it's as simple as appealing to their belief that we're being screwed, which we are, and that the establishment fat cats should go funk themselves, and that Paul is the only one willing to do that and leave us alone in the process. With some women it isn't that easy. "Cut a trillion bucks from the budget, work to keep taxes down, end the bailouts and leave you alone," doesn't always have the same appeal. So you speak to them about something they know about, something that will resonate with them. Many of the women around me are nurses. They know healthcare. The Liberty message is so flexible that it's easy to describe to them how Paul would keep the federal government off their backs, eliminate a lot of the waste they have to deal with, and allow them to provide care more effectively to the people who really need it. Then, as the conversation goes on and they describe more of their concerns on the topic, it's as simple as describing how Liberty addresses those issues as well.

There are plenty of ways to communicate the message. The best thing we can do is tailor it to the specific we're going after, and arm ourselves with more knowledge, more charm, and more empathy than supporters of every other campaign.

As we've said - our message is right on EVERY SINGLE ISSUE. All we have to do is know it and communicate it.

 

[green73]

Even more evidence that democracy fails.