Ron Paul Finally Explains State vs Federal on the Abortion issue. Great Job!!

[Brett85]

Just curious, I'm already hearing from people who all they heard was, "repeal Roe v. Wade"and they're going, "you can't do that it's against the Constitution and a woman's rights!"

Question, how do you present this to people who feel abortion it's like a woman's right to vote?

Those people won't be voting in a GOP primary, so it makes no difference.

 

[archangel689]

I refrain from this issue usually because I am not female. Any male that makes this a huge issue, annoys me. I think it requires a certain amount of religious faith to believe that life begins any time before the fertilized egg embeds itself in the uterine wall. In which case Plan B as well as other drugs are classified as abortions. I do not believe people should be pushing religion on others.

I also don't believe abortions will ever be eliminated, you'll just create a black market for them, just like anything else. So I do think the states should handle it. I think what will end the debate is better birth control.

 

[rjl]

My argument against abortion is not religious at all. If someone can introduce me to a pro-choice human being who was aborted as a fetus, I'll listen. Otherwise, I find pro-choice people to be entirely hypocritical.

 

[Brett85]

I refrain from this issue usually because I am not female. Any male that makes this a huge issue, annoys me. I think it requires a certain amount of religious faith to believe that life begins any time before the fertilized egg embeds itself in the uterine wall. In which case Plan B as well as other drugs are classified as abortions. I do not believe people should be pushing religion on others.

I also don't believe abortions will ever be eliminated, you'll just create a black market for them, just like anything else. So I do think the states should handle it. I think what will end the debate is better birth control.

I'm pretty sure there are at least a few atheists who are opposed to abortion rights. You don't have to be super religious to realize that it's wrong to murder an innocent human being.

 

[Krugerrand]

I'm pretty sure there are at least a few atheists who are opposed to abortion rights. You don't have to be super religious to realize that it's wrong to murder an innocent human being.

Atheist and Agnostic Pro-Life League
A nontheistic and nonreligious opposition to the life-denying horror of abortion
http://www.godlessprolifers.org/home.html

 

[archangel689]

I'm pretty sure there are at least a few atheists who are opposed to abortion rights. You don't have to be super religious to realize that it's wrong to murder an innocent human being.

I'm not exactly defending a pro-choice position.

Find me an atheist that believes life begins any time before the fertilized egg embeds itself in the uterine wall (ie: conception). I don't think you will. Understand that life beginning at conception means that a lot of things we call birth control are actually chemical abortions.

 

[Brett85]

I'm not exactly defending a pro-choice position.

Find me an atheist that believes life begins any time before the fertilized egg embeds itself in the uterine wall (ie: conception). I don't think you will. Understand that life beginning at conception means that a lot of things we call birth control are actually chemical abortions.

I'm more concerned about closing down abortion clinics than banning things like the morning after pill. There is kind of a blurry line when it comes to whether some of these pills actually cause an abortion or not, so I agree with you on that. I'm not exactly sure why the pro life groups are so intent on fighting battles having to do with things like the morning after pill and other pills. Why focus on that when late term abortions are still legal in this country? It seems like it's better to focus on one thing at a time, so before we get into a discussion about what pills actually cause an abortion, the government should ban the actual abortions that take place in abortion clinics.

 

[archangel689]

I was just using the complexity of the issue to argue that it is a state and not federal issue. A Federal ban creates a very big black market (ie abortions on boats). I don't think any state would have late term abortions legal (and neither do pro-choice people--which is why they want it to remain within federal jurisdiction).

 

[doctorfunk]

I differ from a lot of you in that I'm more pro choice. I'm not pro abortion, but I do believe that there are some circustamces where it is "justified." I am strongly against abortions for the sake of convenience. But what about cases of rape, incest, or where the mother's life is in jeopardy? What about if the fetus has genetic diseases or conditions that shorten the life expectancy of the child to days, weeks or months?

 

[doctorfunk]

Those people won't be voting in a GOP primary, so it makes no difference.

It's an open primary so I would expect that there would be quite a few dissatisfied dems and independents who will vote.

 

[archangel689]

let the states handle it

 

[Brett85]

I differ from a lot of you in that I'm more pro choice. I'm not pro abortion, but I do believe that there are some circustamces where it is "justified." I am strongly against abortions for the sake of convenience. But what about cases of rape, incest, or where the mother's life is in jeopardy? What about if the fetus has genetic diseases or conditions that shorten the life expectancy of the child to days, weeks or months?

It sounds like you're more pro life than pro choice if you think that abortion should only be legal in a few situations. I would say that the "pro choicers" are the ones who support "abortion for convenience." Even some of the other candidates in the GOP race believe there should be an exception for rape, incest, and the life of the mother. I don't really agree with that position, because I believe that the only exception should be for the life of the mother. But it's not accurate to say that one is "pro choice" if they support a few exceptions to a ban on abortion.

 

[Brett85]

It's an open primary so I would expect that there would be quite a few dissatisfied dems and independents who will vote.

That's true, but in general, I would imagine that at least 80% of the voters will be pro life. When the vast majority of the voters are pro life, it's much more important to reach out to pro life voters than to cater to the Huffington Post crowd.

 

[Lishy]

Out of curiosity, and this may sound inappropriate, but what stops jerkin' off from being considered murder? If an embryo should not be aborted, how is jerkin' it any more better?

 

[Krugerrand]

Out of curiosity, and this may sound inappropriate, but what stops jerkin' off from being considered murder? If an embryo should not be aborted, how is jerkin' it any more better?

Perhaps you should open a basic biology book and look at what an "organism" is.

 

[FunkBuddha]

So, is Ron saying that if you pass a bill at the federal level that leaves the decision to the states, that overturns Roe vs Wade because the law it is based upon is null and void? I'm just trying to get a better understanding.

 

[doctorfunk]

It sounds like you're more pro life than pro choice if you think that abortion should only be legal in a few situations. I would say that the "pro choicers" are the ones who support "abortion for convenience." Even some of the other candidates in the GOP race believe there should be an exception for rape, incest, and the life of the mother. I don't really agree with that position, because I believe that the only exception should be for the life of the mother. But it's not accurate to say that one is "pro choice" if they support a few exceptions to a ban on abortion.

I think it would be difficult to write a policy that would take into consideration all of the exceptions. Many rapes and cases of incest are unreported or unprosecuted. And how do you define risk to the mother? All pregnancy carries some risk. I think the best thing would be to leave the government out of it all together and push for public education.

 

[teacherone]

Out of curiosity, and this may sound inappropriate, but what stops jerkin' off from being considered murder? If an embryo should not be aborted, how is jerkin' it any more better?

not inappropriate...just ignorant.

carry on "jerkin' it".

 

[Brett85]

I think it would be difficult to write a policy that would take into consideration all of the exceptions. Many rapes and cases of incest are unreported or unprosecuted. And how do you define risk to the mother? All pregnancy carries some risk. I think the best thing would be to leave the government out of it all together and push for public education.

So should abortion even be legal two minutes before the baby is born? Should there be no limits at all?

 

[Xenophage]

Ron demolished Santorum and made him look foolish multiple times in that debate. His criticisms were scatching, his answers were smart and to the point, but he always came across as good natured.