Ron Paul excluded from another debate

[tgts2000]

It's scheduled only if at least one candidate elects to show up... so far none have... Ron Paul has not been excluded.

It does say he has "not been invited because his support has not risen to 15%".

 

[nodope0695]

Here is what I emailed to them:

Greetings,

Please invite Ron Paul to your debate. Have a little credibility, please. Ron Pau is a viable candidate, and for you to exclude him goes against your scientific principle of looking at all the evidence, and then forming a hypothesis, a theory, and a conclusion.

 

[Revolution9]

McCain, Huckabee, Clinton, Obama: brilliant scientists every one.

They are going to demonstrate Pavlovs dogs drooling phenomena when presented with a briefcase of cash.

HTH
Randy

 

[billyjoeallen]

bump.

 

[annamoo]

Here is what I wrote. Maybe mean, but this is unacceptable.

If you are truly pro-science, then you will understand that eliminating any remaining candidate from expressing his or her views and understanding of the current scientific debate in this country is NOT what scientific debate is all about. Exclusion of a variety of viewpoints is NOT supposed to be what science is about, although it has been practiced throughout history.

I am currently a medical student, and I have a BS in Microbiology from UT Austin. As a person with a science background, I was always taught that scientific discourse benefits from ALL viewpoints being openly discussed. Unfortunately you have chosen to betray your own field and stifle true discussion when setting up your debate. The debate will suffer, the public's understanding of science will suffer, and your hypocrisy will be the cause.

Today I watched on CSPAN as Dr. Krauss announced that "all 4 remaining presidential candidates have been invited" to this "debate."

What a joke. Perhaps Dr. Krauss is unaware that Dr. Ron Paul, the BIGGEST FUNDRAISER OF THE GOP IN THE 4TH QUARTER 2007 is still in the race. If he is not aware of this fact, perhaps it is because he watches too much television and doesn't spend enough time online, and has therefore bought into the media blackout of Dr. Paul. I can only hope that Dr. Krauss's exposure to scientific opinion in his professional life is richer than his limited and narrow exposure to politics and media, although his ignorance today would suggest otherwise. Then again, perhaps I am looking too deeply and it is simply a matter of Dr. Krauss not being able to add 2 Democrats and 3 Republicans and come up with 5 candidates. Perhaps he merely thinks 2+3=4.

Politics should have no place in science. If you want to have a remotely intelligent debate, you will need at least one intelligent person present. I strongly recommend you invite Dr. Ron Paul, a medical doctor, OB Gyn and my congressman.

That is, only if you want anyone to actually watch your debate!

Thank you for your attention to this exclusion of Dr. Paul, the only candidate with an ACTUAL SCIENCE BACKGROUND.

Thank you,
xxxxxxxxxx

TX District 14

 

[Kade]

Any evidence for this other than speculation? Sadly, the stigma against atheism is so entrenched I didn't realize there could be an 'atheist vote'. While the Brights, humanists, and other secularist organizations are struggling to change this imbalance, people in America are far too religious for an 'atheist vote' to seemingly be of much relevance.

I'm an officer in the Secular Student Alliance, long standing member of American Atheists, and leader in other notable organizations. The movement to organize atheists is growing, and although it is like herding cats, there is published information on Ron Paul's stances of separation and his misunderstanding of the first amendment, and his attempt to create a new amendment to "fix" the first amendment. This forum spent it's first four months censoring and banning arguments about these amendments on these forums specifically, which caused the SSA and the AA to issue a newsletter highlighting Dr. Paul's stances. Polls on the leading social network sites saw a significant drop in support for Dr. Paul following an organized movement to spread this information, and the information about the censorship of these boards specifically. The timing was significant, many of the grassroots leaders originally were of the hacker/libertarian/atheist mold, right before the Iowa caucuses, the unrelenting attack from these groups following the caucus leading up to New Hampshire. the campaign has abandoned most of these people now, returning to speeches about "terrorists" and refusing to highlight Ron Paul's desire for less government, especially in regards to Civil Liberties and with this board's censorship policy, you can only imagine... and what's left is the current pile of rejects, backdoor theocrats, and conspiracy theorists... most of which couldn't tell you what Goldwater's stance on abortion or separation of church and state were in the first place...

I don't buy the white supremacist mold, I think many people are intelligent conservatives, the last remaining, but they have severely distorted what it means to be a classical liberal, or the intent of the founding fathers... That's my beef.


There are also a few remaining Fiscal policy buffs here, who for the most part understand the dire straits our economic system is in... to these people I say, keep it churning brothers.

 

[CareerTech1]

emailed them

 

[Bigvick]

Why do we even want RP in the debate? All they do is make fun of him and give him 2 minutes, RP should hold a event bigger then the debate to make a statement.(bigger then the townhall )

 

[VoteForRonPaul]

Sent

 

[paulaholic]

Who gives a damn about the "Science Debate", what a bunch of crap, we don't need them.

 

[VoteForRonPaul]

RP should hold a event bigger then the debate to make a statement.(bigger then the townhall )

You must be talking about the Rally

 

[phree]

I just added my comment to the announcement:

"Ron Paul's numbers in the polls are phenomenal when you consider the insignificant amount of unbiased exposure he's received. It's arguable that only 10% or less of Americans have had a fair opportunity to hear Ron Paul's positions. Given that, his polling percentages are simply amazing. It appears that at as many as 1 in 2 people who have heard his message have become supporters.

The vast majority of his support comes from about 15 minutes of debate time (cable networks only). Most of that time was spent dealing with questions that were either distractions like "electability" or blatant attacks. One question and answer was even edited out of the rebroadcast of a Fox debate because Dr. Paul turned Carl Cameron's insulting question into a show of strength.

Had Paul received half of the media time lavished on other candidates he would be leading this race. By omitting him from this debate you are further promoting the bias that is destroying The People's voice in this country.

Please reconsider."

 

[Revolution9]

Oh geez. Do you really think there will be any more GOP debates? Give this a rest.

The establishment must learn that any attempts will be met with contempt and backlash. We give nothing a rest. That is their game plan.

Best Regards
Randy

 

[Revolution9]

I can get Ron Paul on this debate, but do you really want him there?

They are going to reem holes so large in McHuckleberry that goatse would be embarrassed. You really don't want to be in this debate... you really don't want allow Ron Paul to embarrass himself more on basic science...

Evolution is not basic science. There are major holes in it. It is fine on a microsystem level but fails miserably at macrosystems. As well there appears to be genetic sequences in humans that are not a part of any evolutionary process. We may have been a created/derived/engineered species which puts the evolutionists dick squarely in the dirt.

Fuck scientific dogma. Science is not a religion though general Relativity and it latest abortive notion, dark matter along wth evolution dogma puts that camp within the scientists firmly in the religious beliefs camp.. Einstein was wrong too and it is plasma physics that they should focus on in cosmology. Gravity is merely a side effect.

Randy

 

[MrZach]

If Ron Paul shows up at that debate, he'll be the only one. Give it a rest.

 

[yongrel]

They invited Huckabee to a Science Debate? Seriously?

 

[Revolution9]

You are now entering a very personal realm of attack to which I take great offense. Most of them are leftist libertarian and anti-theocracy. They disagree with Ron Paul on two major issues, his stance on separation of church and state and his stance on evolution. I know many of these people personally, and some were my colleagues and professors. You don't know them, so shut it. Again, I emphasize that you probably don't want Ron Paul in this debate...

Cool. Tell your professors they know shit and have been bamboozled by 19th century and 20th century dogmatists. General Relativity, dark matter, evolution..pfft.. They will have some catching up this century as each dogmatic assertion is experimentally or empirically proven to have major problems and holes. For instance the speed of light has been shown to be not constant. It has been slowed down to mere miles per hour and spun up over 1.5 times the supposed speed of light. Kinda fucks up Einstein bigtime. I can shoot giant holes in evolutionary theory. That is a tool of theocrats to make us believe we are mere animals fighting for survival instead of a part of a creative whole. This allows them to manipulate us into wars and fighting for scraps from the table.

And where the hell do they get this RP's stance on separation of church and state crap?.. I am for separation of synagogue and state and dogmatic science and state as well. If government sticks to the 17 sections of The Constitution, as RP would have happen ASAP, they are allowed to make laws about then that is pure canard.

HTH
Randy

 

[Revolution9]

Stop. Don't email bomb. I'll get him invited...

Email bomb. This guy has a bad attitude. He may be running interference from his baragrugous tone,.

HTH
Randy

 

[Revolution9]

Fuck your illuminati worshiping professors.

Fucking dogmatists!

Best Regards
Randy

 

[Revolution9]

Is science the doctrine of atheists or something? What does science have to do with religion?

Other than making one marvel at the intracies and making you ponder religious thought. Not much. The barrier is there for a reason.. But they have made some crackpot theories into a religion within the hallowed halls of ivory tower science.

Best Regards
Randy