Ron Paul endorses Mike Lee

[White Knight]

Where does he stand on the Patriot Act, the IRS, the Federal Reserve, and repealing the 17th Amendment?

 

[John Taylor]

Where does he stand on the Patriot Act, the IRS, the Federal Reserve, and repealing the 17th Amendment?

1) don't know

2) Wants to abolish.

3) Wants to abolish.

4) Wants to Repeal.

 

[White Knight]

1) don't know

2) Wants to abolish.

3) Wants to abolish.

4) Wants to Repeal.

Then I hope he wins on that alone, it's a good start. Do you know his positions on our current two wars?

 

[Knightskye]

Mike Lee is an Austrian non-interventionist who favors commodity backed money and a strict construction of the U.S. Constitution. Saying "fuck him" because he isn't pure enough is pathetic. PATHETIC.

Military action is not justified for a country possessing nuclear material, let alone nuclear missiles. That's not non-interventionism.

If he's secretly a non-interventionist who doesn't favor intervening in other countries' affairs, and he's lying to potential voters on his issues page, I guess then it would be okay to vote for him.

Would he oppose a national ID card? It doesn't sound like it.

 

[cyberdogg]

Let's say I cast a ballot early, and the decision is "easy" despite my reservation.

That said, Mike Lee is the lesser of two evils. Tim Bridgewater is a Neoconservative who will not change but follow Bob Bennett's precedent-setting path, nothing less.

If I find Mike's fealty to Israel overbearing (despite me advising him to read Geo. Washington's 1796 Farewell Address), I will not vote for anyone but third party (Constitution Party) come November.

 

[Original_Intent]

Well, Ron's endorsement seals the deal for me. I was really on the fence between Lee and Bridgewater for various reasons and due to my own research. But I iwll vote for Lee in the primary. Probably end up voting CP in the general though.

Also, regarding Lee's comments on Israel. It will be interesting to see how he acts in office, but in Utah, if you bad mouth Israel in any way shape or form you are dead politically. When you are baptized a Mormon you are considered as adopted into "the house of Israel" and unfortunately many members cannot process past "I am in the house of Israel, therefore I must give unqualified support to the STATE of Israel....they both say Israel, right???!"

And trust me, that is not a church teaching that is the mindless stupor that most people wander around in though.

 

[.Tom]

If he's truly for free market health care, where does he stand on medical self-ownership, i.e. abolishing all drug control laws?

 

[John Taylor]

If he's truly for free market health care, where does he stand on medical self-ownership, i.e. abolishing all drug control laws?

Yes, because Rand Paul opposes free market health care because he is not campaigning and will not campaign on abolishing all drug control laws!



Once again, you're letting the perfect be the enemy of the very very good.

 

[.Tom]

Yes, because Rand Paul opposes free market health care because he is not campaigning and will not campaign on abolishing all drug control laws!



Once again, you're letting the perfect be the enemy of the very very good.

I'm not asking for perfection. I just don't see how this guy is "very very good".

Moving past the drug issue, is this guy for bringing the troops home from all around the world? Because if he's not, he's not even good on economics.

Is he against the Patriot Act and good on privacy and civil liberties issues?

Or is he just another Republican that isn't a libertarian and this entire movement is just turning into a neocon-lite jack off session?

 

[low preference guy]

More like .Tom is in an idiotic smearing-people-who-will-improve-the-Senate jack off session.

 

[specsaregood]

Mike Lee is an Austrian non-interventionist who favors commodity backed money and a strict construction of the U.S. Constitution.

This trumps all of the foreign intervention/warmonger arguments. Because such a monetary system would greatly limit the ability to do such things. It is how you fool the warmongers in the republican party....

 

[.Tom]

More like .Tom is in an idiotic smearing-people-who-will-improve-the-Senate jack off session.

Thank you for calling me an idiot.

Now please explain to me how this is any different than voting for McCain over Obama?

Gotta love them lesser of two evils!

 

[low preference guy]

Thank you for calling me an idiot.

Now please explain to me how this is any different than voting for McCain over Obama?

Gotta love them lesser of two evils!

I actually believe that you are a dishonest person, in part for some of the lies you said about Rand Paul. I don't believe trying to convince a liar of something is worth my time.

 

[White Knight]

I'm not asking for perfection. I just don't see how this guy is "very very good".

Moving past the drug issue, is this guy for bringing the troops home from all around the world? Because if he's not, he's not even good on economics.

Is he against the Patriot Act and good on privacy and civil liberties issues?

Or is he just another Republican that isn't a libertarian and this entire movement is just turning into a neocon-lite jack off session?

He wants to abolish the IRS and Federal Reserve, repeal the 17th, and get out of the UN. That''s good enough for now, come on.

 

[Shotdown1027]

He wants to abolish the IRS and Federal Reserve, repeal the 17th, and get out of the UN. That''s good enough for now, come on.

Don't forget that he's in favor of the Gold Standard.

I'm glad to see Ron Paul people in Utah will vote for Mike Lee--and equally glad to see they'll use the November election to vote for the CP. In the general election, the Republicans will win by double digits in federal races--they don't need your votes. The CP does, in order to keep ballot access.

 

[Depressed Liberator]

So he's a huge interventionist?

Not for me.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Is his official page the first or second site that comes up on Google?

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source...X4Mdrq-ecKAAAAqgQFT9AWfZA&fp=610e7dd948e54cca

 

[Knightskye]

10. Will you oppose using U.S. forces to occupy a foreign nation without a declaration of war?

Saying "Yes" to that would mean withdrawing from Iraq and Afghanistan, and bringing the private contractors home as well.

If he really believes that, then he deserves to win, aside from lying on the issues page.

 

[Distinguished Gentleman]

Its sad, very sad, but this is the conclusion I've reached about liberty candidates in big races. Polling has indicated that in order to win two tenants of non-intervention have to be deemphasized.

1. Nuance regarding Israel policy. There are legions of voters, much larger than us, who won't under any condition support a candidate who wavers on Israel. I use the Breitbart websites as a good barometer of traditional conservative opinion. Read the comments section on an Israel article and watch hordes of otherwise reasonable people get very defensive. Saying you support Israel isn't saying you support nuking Iran. It's saying that you recognize that its just not worth it to try to reason with people on such an emotional topic.

2. Guantanamo. I really hate this. Polling indicates that a large majority of Americans think politician's care too much about protecting civil liberties versus security. There's a reason Mitt "double guantanamo" Romney is the leading GOP candidate. We are a minority.

I'm happy that Mike Lee has been endorsed by Ron. The good doctor has been prescient in the past, and this is another example. Voters are typically depraved tribalists that hate the truth. Now that the world is burning around them, they're accepting more truth, but won't compromise on other "touchy" subjects. Now is the time to make practical inroads with "bridge" candidates like Mike Lee. Lee, Angle, and Rand are the best we're realistically going to do.

 

[K466]

While there are problems with Lee I hope he wins. We will gradually return to a more libertarian society or we will not at all.