Ron Paul Dissents on Unlimited Military Aid for Israel, Bill Passes House 411-2

[libertygrl]

I'm going to be a hypocrite here.

I gotta ask: Which names? Which foreign entities, and how does it affect congress? I want to know how this conspiracy damn works instead of just saying it's a conspiracy!

This is just a sampling as the audio gets cut off, but you can read the rest of the interview here:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/whos-afraid-of-sibel-edmonds/

 

[2young2vote]

Im kind of disappointed in Justin amash, but he is still the second best.

 

[Danke]

Frank Rep is banned? Where's the outcry that we gave to Rev9 when he got banned? Frank is a great patriot. I don't know what his mistake was but I for one vote to bring him back

Quota?

I was surprised to see him back, I had thought he was banned before.

 

[umichmed]

Israel is the enemy of all Americans and virtually all citizens of all other nations. Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, Yemen to name a few of the recent results of becoming its "ally" aka slave.

Greater Israel is the plan.

 

[RonPaulMall]

yeah...principles don't matter.

Ron Paul voted against these bills in the past and managed to get reelected many many times.

Ron Paul is from a different era and had particular advantages that set him apart from Amash. When Paul first ran for Congress, he was already one of the most well known and well liked men in his district, having delivered a good many of the babies in town. This was the 1970's, before the internet. People got their news from the local newspaper and the "Big Three" newscasts, and coverage of individual Congressmen was close to nothing. So Paul was a well liked figure toiling in relative anonymity. This was also before the rise of Evangelical "social conservatives" in the Republican Party and their corresponding rabid support for the Jewish state. Ron Paul is of German ethnicity, like the plurality of American citizens at the time he was elected. Amash is of Arab ethnicity, which makes him not only a member of a tiny minority, but also the only minority for which the MSM tolerates open discrimination against. Amash can go home and "explain" his votes all he wants, but his enemies will run ads saying "Arab Terrorist Member of Congress Hates Israel" and those ads will work. It could well cost him the upcoming election. And for what? All this bill does is reaffirm the status quo- unconditional US support for Israel. Amash has to pick and choose his fights.

 

[Lishy]

Amash is of Arab ethnicity, which makes him not only a member of a tiny minority, but also the only minority for which the MSM tolerates open discrimination against. Amash can go home and "explain" his votes all he wants, but his enemies will run ads saying "Arab Terrorist Member of Congress Hates Israel" and those ads will work. It could well cost him the upcoming election. And for what? All this bill does is reaffirm the status quo- unconditional US support for Israel. Amash has to pick and choose his fights.

That's because Justin Amash IS a terrorist! CNN said so! Damn muslim bitch! He should go back to where he comes from!

(God, I hope people understand the impression..>)

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

yes. we gotta stop putting down people who are on line with MOST of the issues of the movement. 90%... 80%.. even 60% aligned stance to the movement is better than full on 100% establishment congressman/senator.

it is unrealistic to expect another Ron Paul anytime soon... we will have people who are close, and that is good enough. win 1 battle at a time.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Absolutely do NOT worry about his alignment based on this. If Amash votes "No" on this, here is the headline on News 8, Grand Rapids Press, etc...



"Syrian-Palestinian born Michigan Congressman, Justin Amash, votes "No" to Isreal security bill. "

Which will be translated to lay-speak into "Justin Amash, Syrian-born Terrorist and Congressman, hates Isreal, and you should vote him out. "

Yeah, but he has to make a stand at some point.

 

[devil21]

Still waiting for an actual ratified treaty with Israel....

It's amazing how much money, weapons, rhetoric support, etc that the US government gives to Israel and yet we don't have a single mutual protection treaty with that country. All this crap is passed through legislation to make it official, yet treaties are how these sorts of things are supposed to be worked out. Israel won't hesitate to leave the US in the dust when the dollar crashes and Israel doesn't want to be drawn into any wars we may be involved in. The support is the definition of one-sided.

Btw, Amash is a coward. My opinion but he'll be no heir to Ron if he's already bending to foreign interests and putting out flatly ignorant excuses for bad votes.

 

[splanky]

“According to our Constitution,” argued Mr. Paul, “the policy of the United States government should be to protect the security of the United States, not to guarantee the religious, ethnic, or cultural composition of a foreign country.”

THIS is what should be shouted from the mountain tops. Endlessly. Until the cows come home. Until the average Joe comprehends the nature of his servitude.

 

[Lishy]

Btw, Amash is a coward. My opinion but he'll be no heir to Ron if he's already bending to foreign interests and putting out flatly ignorant excuses for bad votes.

I would like to see you in his position. Seems pretty easy to criticize too.

 

[fj45lvr]

if you want to read a little about AIPAC's history you can read the book "They Dare to Speak Out" (which is now pretty old). It is a good place to start to see how things work for the whores in DC .....

 

[devil21]

I would like to see you in his position. Seems pretty easy to criticize too.

If I was in Justin's position, I would have considered that the main man is retiring from Congress and that many in this movement will be looking for a new main man to get behind in the House. A vote against this bill would have made strong headway for Amash's future. This thread would have been an Amash love fest. Now it's just the opposite.

 

[Lucille]

http://lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan242.html

"Kristol was treated like royalty and came off as ... a Republican Party warlord," bragging "about how all the hostile elements to Israel inside the Republican Party were purged over the last 30 years – (and) no one (now) dared to question the power of the Israeli lobby."

"The big story in the Republican Party over the last 30 years, and I'm very happy about this," said Kristol, is the "eclipsing" of the George H.W. Bush-James Baker-Brent Scowcroft realists, "an Arabist old-fashioned Republican Party ... very concerned about relations with Arab states that were not friendly with Israel ... ."

That Bush crowd is yesterday, said Kristol. And not only had the "Arabists" like President Bush been shoved aside by the neocons, the "Pat Buchanan/Ron Paul type" of Republican has been purged.

"At B'nai Jeshurun," writes Weiss, "Kristol admitted to playing a role in expelling members of the Republican Party he does not agree with." These are Republicans you had to "repudiate," said Kristol, people "of whom I disapprove so much that I won't appear with them."

"I've encouraged that they be expelled or not welcomed into the Republican Party. I'd be happy if Ron Paul left. I was very happy when Pat Buchanan was allowed – really encouraged ... by George Bush ... to go off and run as a third-party candidate."

Kristol's point: Refuse to toe the neo-con line on Israel, and you have no future in the Republican Party.
[...]
"I very seriously and absolutely do believe that a significant percentage of American members of the House of Representatives and the Senate are intimidated on this issue (of Israel). ... They worry about the ramifications of speaking out. ... They are worried about the attacks that they will receive."

Ben Ami said the 50 members who have criticized Israel are courageous, but, "Another 200 are scared to do it." Haaretz.com reports Ben Ami as saying congressmen "live in fear" of the Israeli lobby.

 

[unknown]

This is why I keep telling people that as much as this is about the liberty movement, its just as much if not more about the man himself.

We will never find another individual who is so incorruptible, so resistant to pressure and bribes from lobbyists and the Party establishment. Who can be fully trusted to do exactly what he said he'll do.

The Israel issue alone is enough to ruin the careers of 99.9% politicians. Dissenting on foreign welfare to Israel? Thats political suicide in America, but not for Teflon Ron.

There will never ever ever EVER be another Ron Paul.

 

[Nathan Hale]

There will never ever ever EVER be another Ron Paul.

And this movement deserves to continue in spite of that. If we're going to string people up for every failure to lockstep with Ron Paul, we might as well have packed it in back in 2007, because we need that diversity and cooperation to grow big enough to effect real change in this country. (not subscribed or checking this thread, just dropping my $0.02)

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

Never be another ron paul.. which is why we shouldn't discard people who might be imperfect. Movement would continue after Ron, but it is unpredictable on how it will proceed.

 

[G-Wohl]

Never be another ron paul.. which is why we shouldn't discard people who might be imperfect.

Sorry to say this, but Ron Paul isn't "perfect" either.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

which is even a better reason to not trash other statesmen that are not perfect.

 

[sailingaway]

This is why I keep telling people that as much as this is about the liberty movement, its just as much if not more about the man himself.

We will never find another individual who is so incorruptible, so resistant to pressure and bribes from lobbyists and the Party establishment. Who can be fully trusted to do exactly what he said he'll do.

The Israel issue alone is enough to ruin the careers of 99.9% politicians. Dissenting on foreign welfare to Israel? Thats political suicide in America, but not for Teflon Ron.

There will never ever ever EVER be another Ron Paul.

He's hardly teflon, they ended a subcommittee rather than give it to him as seniority demanded, until they could get someone senior to him to sit on the committee when they brought it back, etc. He just never changed, regardless.