Ron Paul didn't get above 2nd place in even ONE STATE today.

If you truly believe that Bill Clinton could go from polling 1% to winning the white house without 'rigging', then it's you who are the moron.

McCain was broke, firing staff like the white house during watergate and polling in the basement and lost every debate and poll ever conducted. He burned through $30 million by the end of the 3rd quarter with nothing to show for it. He sang "bomb, bomb Iran" and told America he will stay in Iraq for 100 years or more.

Now, please explain how the man who has supported the war more than any other candidate, supports the 'surge' and exclaims that we'll be in Iraq for 100 years gets the anti-war vote? I'm all ears.

In fact, don't stop there. Please explain how McCain gets all of the issues ass backward and wins the nomination? And don't give me the shit that 'the public are morons'.

Amnesty for illegals.
War in Iraq for 100 years.
Bomb Iran.
McCain/Feingold
McCai/ Lieberman
McCain/Kennedy

Yeah. Sounds like the perfect Republican candidate, eh? If powerful people didn't want McCain at the top, the press would chew him up and spit him out...period.

Explain how Bush, who couldn't say a single coherent sentence, got elected...twice? Explain how 70% of Americans want out of Iraq, but Dems and Repubs both vote for more funding and more troops? Explain how Congress has the lowest rating in history, but the incumbents remain in office?

You think polls are relevant. How sad. You think the Arms Dealers, Exxon, Wall Street and the Bankers will leave the Presidency open to chance, or what Americans really want? How sad, indeed.

Get your head out of the sand.

Bosso

I'm telling you it is the electrolytes!!!

:p
 
My conspiratorial side says the same thing to me!
My state (Florida) only had 30,000+ voters for Ron Paul?
Out of all the registered Republican voters in my state
only 30,00 voted for Ron Paul. There are that many in
Meetup groups around the state I would bet.


Something smells rotten I'm tellin ya!

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/elections/resultsarchive/enight.asp

Sorry but your numbers are all wrong... RP garnered almost 63K votes... Keep in mind these are still not certified by the state, they had issues at various precincts across the state, go figure huh??? LOL

VOTE fraud is real watch HBO hacking democracy on google video...That said we did affidvaits in many precincts statewide... And sadly media does dictate americans opinions on voting... Mccain won hands down... What fools these mortals be...
 
i think obama will be fine, just because he's a democrat doesn't mean he's the antichrist ffs.

Yeah, a big-spending, big government liberal who voted to reauthorize the Patriot Act and voted to fund the war. Uh-huh that'll be just fine. :rolleyes: Why don't you go back to your Obama forum, you're not going to find very fertile soil for your man here.
 
This clip will confirm your (and my) suspicions about the PAID campaign staff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE2QSX5WrtI

No longer in good faith can I take away money from my family's savings, college fund etc. to donate to the campaign when the above clip indicates that those of us in the Grassroots are totally NOT appreciated.
And I was so close to "maxing out" my contributions too.

Disturbing video...I don't know if what these guys are saying is true, but if it is it's pretty outrageous. I mean, can you imagine the official campaign having a leading grassroots figure arrested? Ridiculous if true.
 
If it's Hillary vs. McCain, Hillary will win anyway so a 3rd party/Indy run wouldn't hurt anything. It would at least keep our freedom message focused and going forward. But if we think we're ignored by the media now, an indy run would relegate us to total darkness, so the question would be how many more voters can we reach successfully, given the results of our hard work leading up to these primaries?

My county has 70,000 registered voters, our meetup has about 120 members, and we've been working the area since June to see Paul only get 430 votes in our county. Not exactly the greatest prospects for a successful indy run in the general.
 
Ok, so we need our own party, as it's obvious how irrevocably hijacked the republican party is by the GD neocons. Can they pretend an entire political party doesn't exist? Like Ron said, this is bigger than him. We just need the country back before the USA becomes USSR 2.0. I feel really bad for all the brave people that have sacrificed for over 2 centuries to make this the land of the free just so a bunch of greedy assholes could steal it.
 
This clip will confirm your (and my) suspicions about the PAID campaign staff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE2QSX5WrtI

No longer in good faith can I take away money from my family's savings, college fund etc. to donate to the campaign when the above clip indicates that those of us in the Grassroots are totally NOT appreciated.
And I was so close to "maxing out" my contributions too.

Yeah, because someone made a YouTube, it just MUST be right, huh? :rolleyes:
 
I would vote obama over McCain. If given the choice of fascism or socialism, I guess ill go with Socialism...

And Obama isn't for facism??? He voted for the patriot act, wants to invade Iran, Pakistan, voted to fund the iraq war for over 300 billion and regulate the internet.

They are both trash, the difference is that the dems also give more handouts to the bums so they will bankrupt us faster.

I would rather vote for a sack of shit than anyone other than RP.
 
I blame HQ, and I don't think they did a very good job managing this campaign. If he doesn't change his staff now, it will be more of the same. The California coordinators were useless.

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Nope, that still sounds like socialism to me. The Dems want socialism controlled by a corrupt legislature.
The Dems dont want imperial presidential powers, that is the Republicans. That is why I could never vote for the Bush loving McCain.
Understand this though, If this country is to be a socialist state, then I am going to quit my job, work part time, collect welfare, government housing subsidizes, Government heating oil subsidizes, and any other program I can until the entire system collapses. I think everyone should do what I purpose, all at once. Show them why socialism fails.
 
Did you guys hear Ron Paul is actually a racist? Turns out he wrote some racist news letters.

This is an absolute lie which has been refuted numerous times:

There's nothing racist about Paul.

If you're really interested in Ron Paul's views on Racism, read this article written by the good doctor: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul381.html

And here's a longer article that totally refutes the racist allegations made against him:


http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=41822

Ron Paul Race Smear Erased?

Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - FreeMarketNews.com

Internet information claiming that presidential candidate Ron Paul (R-TX) is a racist – and made derogatory comments about African Americans - has been making the rounds within the blogosphere. But sources close to the editorial group that published the newsletter (or newsletters) that supposedly carried the comments claim that Ron Paul never had anything to do with them, and wasn’t even aware of them.

These sources say that editorial operation in question was a fairly large one, and profitable for its time - focused in large part on measures that one could take to generate a lifestyle independent of government influence and intervention.

The publication, or publications, comprised a business venture to which Ron Paul lent his name. Headquarters were “60 miles away” from Ron Paul’s personal Texas offices. At the time that the publications were being disseminated, primarily in the 1980s, Ron Paul was involved in numerous activities including Libertarian politics. He eventually ran for U.S. president as a Libertarian.

“This was a big operation,” says one source. “And Ron Paul was a busy man. He was doctor, a politician and free-market commentator. A publication had to go out at a certain time and Ron Paul often was not around to oversee the lay out, printing or mailing. Many times he did not participate in the composition, either.”

This source and others add that publications utilized guest writers and editors on a regular basis. Often these guest writers and editors would write a “Ron Paul” column, under which the derogatory comments might have been issued.

Says one source, “Ron Paul didn’t know about those comments, or know they were written under his name until much later when they were brought to his attention. There were several issues that went out with comments that he would not ordinarily make. He was angry when he saw them.”

Ron Paul has said that he did not write the comments in question, but, nonetheless, has taken "moral" responsibility for them.

An excerpt from an apparent interview with Texas Monthly as quoted on the blog Everything2.com clarifies the above information as follows:

"In spite of calls from Gary Bledsoe, the president of the Texas State Conference of the NAACP, and other civil rights leaders for an apology for such obvious racial typecasting, Paul stood his ground. He said only that his remarks about Barbara Jordan related to her stands on affirmative action and that his written comments about blacks were in the context of 'current events and statistical reports of the time.' He denied any racist intent. What made the statements in the publication even more puzzling was that, in four terms as a U. S. congressman and one presidential race, Paul had never uttered anything remotely like this.

"When I ask him why, he pauses for a moment, then says, 'I could never say this in the campaign, but those words weren't really written by me. It wasn't my language at all. Other people help me with my newsletter as I travel around. I think the one on Barbara Jordan was the saddest thing, because Barbara and I served together and actually she was a delightful lady.' ...

"His reasons for keeping this a secret are harder to understand: 'They were never my words, but I had some moral responsibility for them . . . I actually really wanted to try to explain that it doesn't come from me directly, but they campaign aides said that's too confusing. "It appeared in your letter and your name was on that letter and therefore you have to live with it." ' It is a measure of his stubbornness, determination, and ultimately his contrarian nature that, until this surprising volte-face in our interview, he had never shared this secret. It seems, in retrospect, that it would have been far, far easier to have told the truth at the time."

http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=Ron Paul

The operative sentence in the above would seem to be: “What made the statements in the publication even more puzzling was that, in four terms as a U. S. congressman and one presidential race, Paul had never uttered anything remotely like this.” The remarks may well have been seen as out of character because they were not written by Ron Paul, and he had no knowledge of them and no input into their composition, even though he eventually took responsibility for them.

Adds a source aware of the current tempest over these remarks, “Anybody who claims that Ron Paul made the comments in question is deliberately mis-stating what occurred to make political points. It is a measure of [his opponents] desperation that they are dredging this up again. Anybody who reads all that he has written – and there’s lots of it – could see that right away.”
 
Nope, that still sounds like socialism to me. The Dems want socialism controlled by a corrupt legislature.
The Dems dont want imperial presidential powers, that is the Republicans. That is why I could never vote for the Bush loving McCain.
Understand this though, If this country is to be a socialist state, then I am going to quit my job, work part time, collect welfare, government housing subsidizes, Government heating oil subsidizes, and any other program I can until the entire system collapses. I think everyone should do what I purpose, all at once. Show them why socialism fails.

No, I don't agree with that. Rather, let's move what money we can offshore, and start funding freedom/libertarian oriented groups and groups like Judicial Watch that constantly sue corrupt politicians. If they're going to try and make our lives miserable, let's fight back tooth and nail and make their lives miserable as well.

This is not the time to give up. It's just a time to re-group and implement new strategies.
 
This is absolutely impossible. Either it's been rigged somewhat or the people really ARE stupid.

If it's the latter, maybe we deserve Hillary as our next President.

I think it is because people are ignorant. Not to insult them but they are generally unaware of Paul and his positions. I think the exit polls in New York showed that those dissatisfied with the war went with McCain. WTH? See this shows how much control the media has on things.
 
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