Ron Paul delegates

[BillyDkid]

I've been reading on Lew Rockwell's blog about some Ron Paul delegates throwing their support to John McCain. Are these people retarded? How can anybody who seriously supported Dr. Paul even consider throwing their support to John McCain. The argument, apparently, is for party unity. F**k party unity and f**K the GOP (as well as the Dems). They are all corrupt, venal and dishonest. Any Ron Paul supporter who supports either party as they stand now is a piece of crap IMHO.

Also, I want to know who is going to take up the mantle as the leader of the movement and is going to challenge the GOP next time around. You can bet your life that this country will be even further down the toilet by the time 2012 rolls around. We need some one to start to step up now. Rand? Somebody else? I say, let's start campaigning for 2012 now!!! Assuming we still have a country by then.

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

Yes next time we better have people who will actually STAND UP unlike those p.o.s's like John CUNTingham

 

[Bradley in DC]

Reportedly Lew Moore, Debbie Hopper and Drew Ivers told them to vote for McCain or be replaced with an alternate delegate who would.

 

[Gin]

I've been reading delegate accounts all day... Our Delegates didn't have a choice..
Daily Paul has some really good stories..

If we ever suspected that this election was fixed, the stories from those at the RNC would be the proof in the puddin...


We MUST act Fast!!

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

Reportedly Lew Moore, Debbie Hopper and Drew Ivers told them to vote for McCain or be replaced with an alternate delegate who would.

well if I was a delegate given an ultimatum like that, then no matter what the vote would go for mccain right? so why give up YOUR morals on the vote if the vote for mccain was going to happen with or without you?

I would have simply said, try and replace me if you want BUT as a RON PAUL delegate who is here because of THOUSANDS of voters who want ME to vote for RON PAUL I will not vote for mccain because it is not just MY VOTE that I would be making.

 

[MsDoodahs]

I've been reading delegate accounts all day... Our Delegates didn't have a choice..
Daily Paul has some really good stories..

If we ever suspected that this election was fixed, the stories from those at the RNC would be the proof in the puddin...


We MUST act Fast!!

Thanks, will make sure to read their accounts...since they know what happened and there's some pretty wild and at times highly self serving speculation going on around these parts.

 

[Gin]

Thanks, will make sure to read their accounts...since they know what happened and there's some pretty wild and at times highly self serving speculation going on around these parts.

You are welcome... and actually I wasn't feeling very nice toward them myself until I read the accounts....

Some did vote for RP, but they weren't called out or counted so in the end it didn't matter and some of the delegates got there cameras confiscated to boot... Apparently McInsane was running the whole show....go figure!

 

[westmich4paul]

well if I was a delegate given an ultimatum like that, then no matter what the vote would go for mccain right? so why give up YOUR morals on the vote if the vote for mccain was going to happen with or without you?

I would have simply said, try and replace me if you want BUT as a RON PAUL delegate who is here because of THOUSANDS of voters who want ME to vote for RON PAUL I will not vote for mccain because it is not just MY VOTE that I would be making.

qft +1

 

[puppetmaster]

these people are part of the problem....sad but expected

 

[MsDoodahs]

You are welcome... and actually I wasn't feeling very nice toward them myself until I read the accounts....

Some did vote for RP, but they weren't called out or counted so in the end it didn't matter and some of the delegates got there cameras confiscated to boot... Apparently McInsane was running the whole show....go figure!

At least none of our guys got tazered/beaten/arrested or worse.

 

[gjvrieze]

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[Zack]

Wtfwtfwtfwtfwtfwtfwtf

If you haven't read it, I suggest reading this lewrockwell blog entry, and especially the article it links to.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/022724.html

It seems like about 25%-30% of this forum are being "understanding" about what some delegates have done...

Much like Mugatu, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Is that article not the worst press this revolution has EVER gotten? (that's including accusations of racism) Some people really blew it. BIG TIME.

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

Do we really think that by giving them votes now they will then vote our candidates into office LATER who are 100% opposite of their current views?

Or maybe JUST MAYBE they told our gullible delegates that and will happily flip flop later on to prop up another candidate willing to push their platform?

We need to be more careful with who we allow as delegates next time, we ASSumed that our delegates would stick with OUR vote until the end no matter what BUT look at them now.

How can we get a list of these people?
How can we ask Ron Paul about his thoughts on all of his delegates voting for Mccain?


I think we should email, call or write all of these delegates for their reasoning and see if there really is some secret plan the idiots fell for or if they simply are doing the lesser of two evils voting OR worse just trying to be buddy buddy with the current gop in HOPE of changing it

 

[Rangeley]

If you haven't read it, I suggest reading this lewrockwell blog entry, and especially the article it links to.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/022724.html

It seems like about 25%-30% of this forum are being "understanding" about what some delegates have done...

Much like Mugatu, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Is that article not the worst press this revolution has EVER gotten? (that's including accusations of racism) Some people really blew it. BIG TIME.

Well, to be fair, I wouldn't say that they "became Republicans." They made a choice they thought would further their goals by giving the others something they wanted.

It's not a choice I would have made, but it isn't like they really "discarded the prefix."

 

[NMCB3]

These were supposed to be the hard core RP supporters huh? Sounds like some pretty weak minded collectivists to me. They were only around the elites for a few days and managed to get corrupted by the system....lame

 

[Spirit of '76]

Reportedly Lew Moore, Debbie Hopper and Drew Ivers told them to vote for McCain or be replaced with an alternate delegate who would.

False.

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

These were supposed to be the hard core RP supporters huh? Sounds like some pretty weak minded collectivists to me. They were only around the elites for a few days and managed to get corrupted by the system....lame

I think it was all the cowboy hats and confetti that did it.

 

[Zack]

Well, to be fair, I wouldn't say that they "became Republicans." They made a choice they thought would further their goals by giving the others something they wanted.

It's not a choice I would have made, but it isn't like they really "discarded the prefix."

I was mainly referring to the article the lewrockwell blog linked to. Scary stuff, and maybe the worst, most belittling, least representative press we've ever gotten, all thanks to their "choice". Good bargain so far...

How can we get a list of these people?

I was hoping there would be a definitive list compiled, as well. Not to harass them, just to make sure they're never put in a position of trust.

 

[gjvrieze]

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[BagOfEyebrows]

Basically, the GOP tested the strength and spirit of the convictions and principles claimed to be held by RP delegates and found out, to their slight shock, I'll bet, that the strength and spirit was easily manipulated into submission through 'gifts' and promises - promises, by the way, that the GOP may or may not keep.


I'm still in shock the tactic worked, when the GOP has clearly shown in many states it doesn't even abide by its own rulebook, let alone any principles of honesty or promise-keeping ... and so for any deleagate or alternate delegate to trust the GOP's promises when the GOP 'leadership' has a clear record of saying and promising one thing and delivering another in the subsequent followup ... it's kinda odd.

But, they're human, so there's bound to be errors here and there.


I figure there will be a lot of complaints to come from those who thought they were doing the 'right thing' in the months and years ahead of us all ... and lots of regrets. "But you promised," is going to be said with a heavy heart quite a bit, is my guess. You can't sell the principles this nation got founded upon... you can't make deals with them, using the principles themselves as collateral. Fails every time... it's why the USA is in such a crisis.


Personally, my heart and mind ache for anyone who was duped into voting against their own principles and convictions - it's not going to be an easy road for them, on a personal level, but can lead to a lot of personal growth and better awareness - but the burden they will carry as a result is much bigger than any of our disappoint in their actions, so we might want to just reach out to them to explain why, compassionately, they shouldn't have done it. Help kinda lead them back to their common sense - strengthen them so that they can't be fooled into these kind of schemes. Teach them how to be 'street smart' on the road of politics.

Each and every one of them who voted against their own principles, against Ron Paul, they, alone, will have to live with the consequences such actions bring - to themselves as well as other citizens of this nation and those abroad. They put a lot upon themselves, actually - and it's impossible to justify, long term, going against the principles, even when the words to oneself directly after are temporarily soothing.

They made a mistake - but hopefully it will teach all of them to never, ever again compromise on the principles. Especially when it's done 'in our name' as a grassroots movement.


Apparently, the education of the principles needs to start within our own ranks.