Ron Paul delegates

[Gin]

I know, I am soooooooooooo sick of people who moonlight as RP supporters, I am a true RP fanboy, you could NOT buy my vote for one million dollars!!!!! If you abandon RP, that makes you against the Revolution, and by rational, a neo-con!
By virtue, RP is a great man, who holds his "guns", why can't we get some supporters that hold their ground!!!!

I don't know that I agree with this totally.....

I just received this account through my meetup.....

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On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Spirit of '76 wrote:


Just for the record, we were treated pretty fairly by the WV GOP (that's not to say we were treated fairly by the RNC, though).
We made some good inroads with a number of the other Republicans on the trip, and I think that overall we made a good impression.

Here's what Gary Abernathy, one of McCain's guys in WV, had to say about us:

"THE RON PAUL FACTOR -- While almost every other GOP contender for president was permitted to speak at the convention, Ron Paul was not. The word was that Paul was invited, with the natural caveat that he (like the other speakers) endorse McCain for president, which Paul was reportedly unwilling to do. Instead, Paul held a separate "convention" for one afternoon at the Minneapolis Convention Center.

The McCain campaign and the RNC were unnecessarily nervous about the presence of Ron Paul delegates at the XCel Energy Center, and sometimes that fact was reflected in unwarranted actions, such as someone yanking away a banner proclaiming the word "Liberty" being held by a handful of Paul delegates outside the building. In fact, while the Paul delegates demonstrated little, if any, support for McCain throughout the convention -- mostly sitting quietly on their hands while the rest of the crowd erupted around them -- they caused no problems and were respectful and polite, including the Paul delegates from West Virginia. The Ron Paul movement has brought thousands of young people into the political process -- shouldn't the GOP find ways to welcome them rather than alienate them?"

That reads like 'progress' to me.
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Though I just forwarded them the Lew Rockwell story..... will be interested in hearing the response....

 

[torchbearer]

Reportedly Lew Moore, Debbie Hopper and Drew Ivers told them to vote for McCain or be replaced with an alternate delegate who would.

ah yes, my reptilian brothers and sisters who are using this movement to derail true freedom. such a master plan indeed. *hisssssssssssssss*

 

[Gin]

Basically, the GOP tested the strength and spirit of the convictions and principles claimed to be held by RP delegates and found out, to their slight shock, I'll bet, that the strength and spirit was easily manipulated into submission through 'gifts' and promises - promises, by the way, that the GOP may or may not keep.


I'm still in shock the tactic worked, when the GOP has clearly shown in many states it doesn't even abide by its own rulebook, let alone any principles of honesty or promise-keeping ... and so for any deleagate or alternate delegate to trust the GOP's promises when the GOP 'leadership' has a clear record of saying and promising one thing and delivering another in the subsequent followup ... it's kinda odd.

But, they're human, so there's bound to be errors here and there.


I figure there will be a lot of complaints to come from those who thought they were doing the 'right thing' in the months and years ahead of us all ... and lots of regrets. "But you promised," is going to be said with a heavy heart quite a bit, is my guess. You can't sell the principles this nation got founded upon... you can't make deals with them, using the principles themselves as collateral. Fails every time... it's why the USA is in such a crisis.


Personally, my heart and mind ache for anyone who was duped into voting against their own principles and convictions - it's not going to be an easy road for them, on a personal level, but can lead to a lot of personal growth and better awareness - but the burden they will carry as a result is much bigger than any of our disappoint in their actions, so we might want to just reach out to them to explain why, compassionately, they shouldn't have done it. Help kinda lead them back to their common sense - strengthen them so that they can't be fooled into these kind of schemes. Teach them how to be 'street smart' on the road of politics.

Each and every one of them who voted against their own principles, against Ron Paul, they, alone, will have to live with the consequences such actions bring - to themselves as well as other citizens of this nation and those abroad. They put a lot upon themselves, actually - and it's impossible to justify, long term, going against the principles, even when the words to oneself directly after are temporarily soothing.

They made a mistake - but hopefully it will teach all of them to never, ever again compromise on the principles. Especially when it's done 'in our name' as a grassroots movement.


Apparently, the education of the principles needs to start within our own ranks.

+10

 

[Dave39168]

If you haven't read it, I suggest reading this lewrockwell blog entry, and especially the article it links to.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/022724.html

It seems like about 25%-30% of this forum are being "understanding" about what some delegates have done...

Much like Mugatu, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Is that article not the worst press this revolution has EVER gotten? (that's including accusations of racism) Some people really blew it. BIG TIME.

from the article:
Their few votes would not bring the congressman’s suspended campaign for the presidency any closer to its goal. Nor would they stop the ascension of McCain.

since when was the campaign suspended????? That is bad journalism.

 

[Spirit of '76]

Though I just forwarded them the Lew Rockwell story..... will be interested in hearing the response....

I read the Lew Rockwell story, and I was there. Our delegation stayed in the same hotel as the Mass delegation.

As I've said before, there was a big division among the Massachusetts Ron Paul delegation about how to proceed. My observation was that a couple of social climbers within the Mass RP delegation decided to go for McCain and dragged the rest of them along. I seriously thought there would be fist fights at one point.

We Wes' -by God- Virginians stuck to our guns, got our chair to announce our votes for Ron, and still earned respect.

Of course, I don't really have much insight as to the dynamics between the RP people from Mass and the rest of their delegation. Perhaps this can benefit them in the long run; I don't really know.

I have heard the account of an RP delegate who tried to build bridges within his delegation by letting an older McCain alternate cast his vote. While I would have liked him to cast his own vote for Ron, if his delegation chair had no intention of reading it out, I don't see how reaching out humanely to other members of his delegation really hurt.

 

[Gin]

I've seen this in several different You Tubes... where the Chair asked for any other nominations for President and folks yelled Ron Paul but was ignored.... if only they all yelled at the same time...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTWm3EmevaU

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

I've seen this in several different You Tubes... where the Chair asked for any other nominations for President and folks yelled Ron Paul but was ignored.... if only they all yelled at the same time...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTWm3EmevaU

ONE MAN was heard screaming and got on video, a lady was on video protesting as well. We are supposed to believe that with all the delegates we had there we were not able to hear a single peep out of any of them?

we need more ballsy delegates and LOUD DELEGATES on the next go around, ones that won't sit on their fucking hands.

 

[RP4EVER]

They knew they werent going to be welcomed with open arms....so again I ask....why run?

Wait.....let me guess..........to get their voice heard..........thats an oxymoron in this situation

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

We all knew the delegates of ours were going to be in the minority but we all watched the convention waiting for that REVOLUTION to make their voice heard. We all assumed something was going to happen BUT all the while all they wanted to do was be nice, play nice and vote mccain LOL.. that is irritating.

I do know, next time we raise funds to get these people to the convention that we make sure and write up a contract or something that MAKES THEM vote for our guy no matter what bullshit plays out.

We need those who will remain strong and stick to their guns no matter how many are against them BUT we did not have those patriots as delegates I guess.

I still am hoping for that "surprise attack" where all of this mccain unanimous voting will end up helping us out in the end BUT getting more and more word back for the "Why" they voted for mccain does not make that hope seem very promising.

take over your local political groups on both the republican and democratic sides. Make sure our delegates are actually strong in moral character and won't fold under pressure.

this is irritating to say the least.

 

[Spirit of '76]

ONE MAN was heard screaming and got on video, a lady was on video protesting as well. We are supposed to believe that with all the delegates we had there we were not able to hear a single peep out of any of them?

we need more ballsy delegates and LOUD DELEGATES on the next go around, ones that won't sit on their fucking hands.

You mean ones that would just totally ignore what Dr. Paul asked them to do? After all, he asked us not to be disruptive of their proceedings, but rather just be seen and work the press with a positive message of what we hope to accomplish.

I'd say that for the most part we did what he asked us to do pretty well.

 

[RP4EVER]

Id say our people blended in really well...........

 

[Spirit of '76]

Id say our people blended in really well...........

Having been there, I'd say we were very obvious and very noticeable to everyone. None of us tried to hide our affiliation, and you can bet everyone there was watching us like hawks to see what we might do.

I think they all expected us to end up sitting in the cage with the socialists. Then they could have just written us off as an irrelevant nuisance. Instead we surprised them by acting civilized (a novel idea, I know) and staying on message, and we left them scratching their heads and coming to the realization that they'd better not underestimate the 10% of their own party that openly supports the ideas of Ron Paul.

 

[Gin]

I didn't realize that RP had requested as such... that changes things a bit for me.... Didn't they call the vote? I thought that I read somewhere that they deemed McCain the Nominee before all of roll call was taken... am I correct?

I'm glad the WV delegates stuck to their guns.... Kuddos to you guys!!

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

You mean ones that would just totally ignore what Dr. Paul asked them to do? After all, he asked us not to be disruptive of their proceedings, but rather just be seen and work the press with a positive message of what we hope to accomplish.

I'd say that for the most part we did what he asked us to do pretty well.

Did he also ask you to vote for mccain as well?

 

[MsDoodahs]

Having been there, I'd say we were very obvious and very noticeable to everyone. None of us tried to hide our affiliation, and you can bet everyone there was watching us like hawks to see what we might do.

I think they all expected us to end up sitting in the cage with the socialists. Then they could have just written us off as an irrelevant nuisance. Instead we surprised them by acting civilized (a novel idea, I know) and staying on message, and we left them scratching their heads and coming to the realization that they'd better not underestimate the 10% of their own party that openly supports the ideas of Ron Paul.

Thank you, Spirit.

I for one am proud that y'all conducted yourselves in a way that put the GOP on notice. Ron is NOT the "mayor of kookytown" (Glenn Beck's constant drum beat). His supporters are neither freaks nor children living in their momma's basement. (Okay, some of y'all ARE freaks and some of y'all BEHAVE like children living in your momma's basement. )

You did a FANTASTIC job.

Thank you.

 

[puppetmaster]

I am ashamed. They would not even let Ron Paul in the convention and his so called supporters sold him out on a breeze. SICK and FOOLISH

 

[puppetmaster]

The moderators all seem to be bought out....

 

[torchbearer]

The moderators all seem to be bought out....

they are all reptilians who are out to get you.

 

[puppetmaster]

they are all reptilians who are out to get you.

LOL I can take them I believe....

 

[sidster]

Well, to be fair, I wouldn't say that they "became Republicans." They made a choice they thought would further their goals by giving the others something they wanted.

It's not a choice I would have made, but it isn't like they really "discarded the prefix."

the issue is it was NOT their choice to make. They were
not there as individuals to seek out personal goals. They
were selected to represent the rest of us. They betrayed
all of us with their personal greed.

quote from article:

[Chris] Dyer said he and [Chris] Bunce, who ran recently failed in congressional primary elections, want to run for office again. So they had motivation to play nice.