Ron Paul Condems Obama’s Decision to Abandon DOMA

[scottditzen]

Hey my fault erowe1...I had to re-read! Fixed that. Thanks. I had the same cognitive dissonance with the state smoking ban came to a vote in Ohio.

 

[scottditzen]

It's ridiculous to compare race to a behavior like homosexuality. It's a proven fact that people are born with a certain race. There's no scientific evidence at all to suggest that people are born gay.

Okay, now we really disagree!

 

[Brett85]

Okay, now we really disagree!

Well can you provide scientific evidence that proves that homosexuality is a genetic trait?

 

[Echoes]

I echo others...the State should NOT be involved in marriage whatsoever. Just another one in a million ways Govt messes up things, they create an issue out of nothing. If it wasnt involved we wouldnt ever be discussing anything like 'gay marriage'.

 

[scottditzen]

Well can you provide scientific evidence that proves that homosexuality is a genetic trait?

I can provide the same evidence that you can to prove that people are born straight!


Anyhow, I don't want to go off topic, pm me if you want to discuss further.

 

[Brett85]

I can provide the same evidence that you can to prove that people are born straight!


Anyhow, I don't want to go off topic, pm me if you want to discuss further.

Well, just to be clear, my point is that there's no scientific evidence to either prove or disprove that people are born gay. It's something that's still in dispute.

Ok, that's the last post on that topic.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

For those of us that have been following Ron's positions for ages we know that he ultimately wants gov't out of marriage. Perhaps he's employing a stealth mode which Rand employed in his primary. Considering that most IA republicans are socons, there's no harm in culling them over to our side on this stickler of an issue. The economy and the fed are too important to lose them over this non-issue imo. Politics is a game that needs a strategy employed to win so throwing in the towel in IA to be pure won't get us anywhere. I don't agree with Ron here but the good is not the enemy of the perfect. Seems like we're reverting back to nickel and diming Rand during his primary over him not being explicitly libertarian on everything.

 

[ronpaulitician]

So are you in favor of legalized polygamy? The arguments ("consenting adults"; "not hurting anyone") for both gay marriage and polygamy are basically the same thing.

Yes, I am.

 

[sailingaway]

Almost all the licenses I can get here in New Hampshire are no good in Vermont.

Well, that is an interesting point, and is likely how he thinks of it, now that you mention it. I know I need to take a new test to practice my profession if I move to a state where I am not already licensed. 'Full faith and credit' most certainly does not apply. But then again, that is an issue of qualifications.....

I still say govt should use a different trigger, not a sacrament, and religious bodies should determine each their own sacraments.

 

[falconplayer11]

I think "stealth mode" is the right idea.

This statement on marriage is not about defending traditional marriage, but getting the federal government out of the marriage debate. And while he is at it, why not let the country know (especially those traditional conservatives that still have not warmed up to Paul) that he supports traditional marriage and believes that states have a right to legislate to defend it?

I think this is nothing more than good politics on Ron's part. Looks like he is campaigning to win!

 

[falconplayer11]

I agree with FSP Rebel.

 

[Dorfsmith]

Didn't Bob Barr write DOMA? Has he issued any kind of statement. I know he regrets writing DOMA and has been fighting it for quite some time. Not that I trust Wiki but here's what it says:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Barr

Same-sex marriage

Barr took a lead in legislative debate concerning same-sex marriage. He authored and sponsored the Defense of Marriage Act, a law enacted in 1996 which states that only marriages that are between a man and a woman can be federally recognized, and individual states may choose not to recognize a same-sex marriage performed in another state.[53] At the 2008 Libertarian National Convention, he apologized for the part of the Defense of Marriage Act which prevents the federal government from recognizing same-sex marriages.[54]

He now opposes the Federal Marriage Amendment, contending it is a violation of states' rights,[55] and supports the Respect for Marriage Act, which would repeal the Defense of Marriage Act.[56]

 

[Brett85]

I think Bob Barr now opposes every piece of legislation he ever wrote.

 

[Echoes]

Bob Barr is a joke, and also the Libertarian party.

 

[Dorfsmith]

I'm not defending Bob Barr but since he wrote it I think it's reasonable to see what he thinks about it.

I'm registered Libertarian but plan to switch Republican to vote for Ron Paul if he runs. No need to act like we're not Ron Paul supporters.

 

[Dorfsmith]

Interesting how some seem to want to write off Libertarians. Is there a move to purge libertarians from the Ron Paul movement?

A lot of us are Libertarians because the Republican party didn't want us around.

http://flagliberty.wordpress.com/2011/02/10/welcome-to-the-libertarian-party-jim-deakin/

 

[Matt Collins]

 

[Fredom101]

I agree with the sentiment but I do not agree with Ron Paul when he says:

"Marriage is between one man and one woman."

Says who? Says Ron Paul and a bunch of bureacrats? I fail to see how this is getting government out of our lives.

 

[Echoes]

Interesting how some seem to want to write off Libertarians. Is there a move to purge libertarians from the Ron Paul movement?

A lot of us are Libertarians because the Republican party didn't want us around.

http://flagliberty.wordpress.com/2011/02/10/welcome-to-the-libertarian-party-jim-deakin/

I was referring to the Libertarian party, not small el libertarians

 

[Matt Collins]

I think this is a case where libertarianism separates from Constitutionalism. Whatever, Ron isn't perfect, I still support him because he is better than any other politician out there.