Ron Paul: Christianity == Fascists

[TwiLeXia]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BrkltetQ0x4

Ok. I KNOW that Ron Paul didn't mean to say exactly that Christianity = Fascists, but with today's political world, the pundits and the other candidates will surely spin it off that way. I know that Ron Paul meant to say that too much Christianity may lead to fascism, or something of the like, but did he have to say this about a mere Christmas Ad?

Of course, Fox is a piece of sh*t for leading him up to that answer, as well as trying to make him look as bad as possible afterwards. However- and this is my opinion- I'm afraid that Dr. Paul may have committed the first political blunder of his career. It's nothing major, (or is it...) but it certainly wasn't the best answer Dr. Paul could have given, especially on MSM. Although the answer makes perfect sense, the problem is most Americans are Christians and the first impression they get - a lasting one - is that Ron Paul - a candidate they may have seen for the first time - thinks Christians are Fascists?

I am a passionate RP supporter but even I felt a bit offended when Paul compared Huck/Christianity to Fascism. Perhaps a light scolding about Huckabee ignoring the separation of Church and State clauses in our Constitution would have done, but certainly not a blatant reference to Fascism, something that Americans view as completely repulsive, in even the same sentence, much less comparison, with the word Christianity, something Americans treasure and believe in.

 

[fedup100]

Oh geez........look, what the statement implies is that if and when fascism comes to America, it will disguise itself as something good.

The Christians came out in groves after Clinton's and voted their hearts out for what they thought was a good Christian man, George Bush. Well guess what, he wasn't a good Christian man and even the Christian part is in doubt. What we got was mass lies, wars, killing, corruption and FASCISM in our own Country from our supposedly good Christian guy. DUH! DUH! The Bible says you call yourself a Christian but you deny the power thereof......

The Bible says to judge a Christian by their fruits. George Bush has let some fruit I can't even look at. This man has destroyed this nation and he did so in the name of every Christian that voted for him.

So, what did Paul have the guts to do today. He told all of us, be careful, judge these men by their fruits or you will be tricked again, and we won't make it if we are tricked again. This is our last chance to save this Country, we can't let a false Christian wrap himself in a flag and carry a cross and trick us with that deception.

Thank God we have a man that will tell us the truth when we need it the most.

 

[mokkan88]

They can't spin it. His statement of faith is freely available and most people know he's a Christian.

 

[TwiLeXia]

Fedup100 - dude, first of all please don't write in fonts like that, it sounds like you're screaming at me.

I understand perfectly well what Ron Paul was saying, what I wanted to bring up is the fact that Christianity is a majority in this nation, and no offense or anything but I'm sorry that not all of America are as smart as the Ron Paul supporters, and many would be offended simply based on a first-impression reaction. Prejudice clouds the thinking, and if you want to convince someone that your idea is right, it is certainly better to appeal to their sympathies, rather than offend them from the get-go.

 

[AisA1787]

They may spin it, but I'm glad that Paul finally took the gloves off. It'll draw some attention.

 

[trout007]

I think it is pretty clear. Just because someone says they are a Christisn and a Patriot watch their deeds. This is why we love Ron Paul. He is like Moses. He spent almost 40 years in the Liberty Desert of Washington DC. He has proven he is faithful to Liberty and the Constitution when it would of been much easier and more fun to join the club. He doesn't have to say he is a Patriot or a Christian because you just look at his actions.

 

[Indy Vidual]

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I am a passionate RP supporter...

Then why aren't you more 'fair and balanced' with your thread title?

 

[shane2]

Presidential Religion...

#1 - In exercising his oath of office duties as President, I want a President that is foremost focused and dedicated to supporting, defending, and upholding the Constitution.

#2 - If he does #1, then my religious freedom to worship as I see fit without interference will be most assured and protected and prone to flourish, regardless of the Presidents own religious beliefs, or lack thereof.

#3 - A candidates religious beliefs and practices are of interest to me only to the degree that they might help illuminate or reveal his character and integrity to be, and remain, steadfastly committed to embrace #1 above, if elected.

- Shane

 

[RonPaulRocksMyWorld]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BrkltetQ0x4

...I felt a bit offended when Paul compared Huck/Christianity to Fascism. Perhaps a light scolding about Huckabee ignoring the separation of Church and State clauses in our Constitution would have done, but certainly not a blatant reference to Fascism, something that Americans view as completely repulsive, in even the same sentence, much less comparison, with the word Christianity, something Americans treasure and believe in.

It's not a comparison to Christianity and BTW there are no "separation of Church and State clauses in our Constitution."

What Ron Paul was saying and he said it as a CHRISTIAN himself was that using religion to get elected is exactly the way fascism will come to this country and BTW he was quoting Sinclair Lewis a Pulitzer Prize winner.

So in the future please take the time to understand what you are posting about before you make any claim and if you haven't go and read the constitution and a little Sinclair Lewis and George Orwell wouldn't hurt either.

It was never an insult to Christianity but it was an insult to Huckleberry for misusing Christianity.

 

[weatherbill]

I am a born again, SPirit filled Christian. I have walked with Jesus since 1987 and have had more supernatural encounters with God than 95% of the christians out there and I can testify......RON PAUL IS THE ONLY candidate we should be voting for becasue he's the only one who respects the law of this land, the Constitution, which IMHO, was God inspired thru the Forefathers, most of which were Christians.
Huckabee is a deceived man and a right wing socialist. Taking the working man's property for socialist agenda is nothing short of theft. Just becasue an entity calls itself the US Government, does not give it the right to directly tax agaisnt the constitution. The gov. may tax indirectly, such as sales tax of gas, etc, but a direct tax, such as on property already owned, inherited or property tax is a direct tax and outlawed by the Constitution!
Therefore, it is outright theft and as long as I'm alive, no christian coming in the name of Christ is gonna say he's a follower and then disrespect the law of the land or else, they become an enemy of God's word, where he says we must "obey every ordinance of man"....that doesn't mean this socialism we have today....that means the Constitution, the true law and supreme law of this land.
Every christian should be angry about what's going on! This threat to freedom thru the monetary powers is sickening!

 

[real_native70]

Huh?

people will say he is against christianity, and all kind of stuff. I am so happy he said that cuz Bush has done exactly what he is talking about. Hopefully people can think for them selves and really think about what he said.

 

[Xanax Nation]

"It reminds me of what Sinclair Lewis once said. He says, 'when fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross,' " Paul, a Protestant, told Fox News. "Now I don't know whether that's a fair assessment or not, but you wonder about using a cross, like he is the only Christian or implying that subtly. So, I don't think I would ever use anything like that."

That's the whole quote-he also gave the disclaimer he doesn't know if it's a fair assessment. What is not clear in the 20 seconds he is given is whether he is talking about himself giving a fair assessment, or whether it's the overall disgust by pretty much everyone except Huckbots that he uses his religion to pander for votes. My guess is the latter, as I'm sure he doesn't follow Huck's every move because he is so busy with his own campaign. But don't be surprised if this doesn't come up later, possibly on MeetThePress. Stick with the comment, but Paul should explain it in that way IMO.

 

[Tdcci]

Fascism has come to America, and it has come under the guise of Global Warming.

 

[sasha_2008]

Dr. Paul was answering the statement about "the appropriateness of using religion for political purposes".

 

[JohnM]

Well, if anyone thinks that Dr Paul was equating Christianity and fascism, they will also draw the conclusion that Ron Paul was equating patriotism and fascism. (After all, the quote was not just "carrying the cross" but "wrapped in the flag").

Since Dr Paul is up front about the fact that he is both a Christian and patriot, it is pretty obvious that he is not criticizing either Christian faith or patriotism.

I still wonder whether the 'cross' that appeared behind Mike Huckabee in the ad was intentional or accidental. Has anyone asked him?

I myself question the wisdom of what Dr Paul said for 3 reasons:

1) He appeared to be attacking Mike Huckabee's character rather than his policies. I think that it would be better for the good doctor to stick to policies and let others attack Huckabee's character.

2) The phrase "I don't know whether that's a fair assessment or not" seems to be saying "Huckabee might indeed be leading America into fascism". Indeed, Huckabee might - but a lot of undecided voters would be inclined to say "Come on, Dr Paul. Do you expect me to believe that? How can I take you seriously?"

3) The word "fascism" is notoriously hard to define, and using words that are highly emotive, but virtually impossible to define is, in my view, poor practice.

With respect to the definition of fascism, I think that there is a lot of truth in George Orwell's comment: "...the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else ... Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathisers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come."

 

[Goldwater Conservative]

Dr. Paul was 100% right. He wasn't saying religion or patriotism are fascistic, but that fascism will come to this country under the guise of religiosity and patriotism. Of course the simpleminded perverts at Fox are going to spin that, but they spin anything he says, so I'm glad he didn't pull his punches and called out Huckleberry's ad for what is.

 

[TwiLeXia]

I certainly hope you all are right.

 

[independent thinker]

Every christian should be angry about what's going on!

I agree with one revision: Every PERSON should be angry about what's going on!

This is not so much a religious issue as it is a legal one. In so many places our government violates the supreme law of the land. The Chief Executive wages war without authorization from Congress. The government imprisons people indefinitely without charging them, granting them legal cousel or access to the "evidence" against them. The government tortures those prisoners. The Congress levies illegal taxes directly against our income and property. I could go on and on. Sounds pretty fascist if you ask me.

The point is, these are weighty matters for EVERY American to consider.

 

[RonPaulFTFW]

I'm glad he said it.

We need to stop the christo-facists from taking over our country and running our lives with big government and destroying or liberty.

Go Ron Paul!

 

[drpiotrowski]

Did anyone else cringe at the reply after Ron Paul said "good evening, I'm in Des Moines."

"Okay that's good. We're glad to hear that."

Fucking prick.