Ron Paul Attacked for Voting to Repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"

[bobbyw24]

"People should know that Ron Paul voted for gays in the military in 2010," Donnelly states. "I think he should be held accountable for that vote. Certainly anyone who supports the military should question his support of the armed forces with that vote on his record

Elaine Donnelly, president of the Center of Military Readiness, says however that Paul supported President Barack Obama and homosexual activists with his vote during last year's lame-duck session of the 111th Congress to repeal "don't ask, don't tell" -- the law excluding homosexuals from serving openly in the U.S. military.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=1338750

 

[trey4sports]

Oh No the GayZ iz ComIn!

Our military is doomed!

 

[MisterTickle]

Man this country sometimes..

 

[COpatriot]

And then these people have the audacity to take offense when they're labeled "intolerant" or told that they hate gays.

 

[specsaregood]

Don't ask, don't tell is the policy that let gays in the military, not this vote. So what the author is saying is that he prefers to have closetted gays around him. Dunno about you all but I prefer to know.

 

[matt0611]

Uh, the whole point of "don't ask don't tell" is to allow gays in the military as long as they keep it to themselves.
So gays have *been* in the military.

Even if so, don't we have more important things to worry about?
Some people need to look at the bigger picture.

 

[specsaregood]

Uh, the whole point of "don't ask don't tell" is to allow gays in the military as long as they keep it to themselves.
So gays have *been* in the military.

Even if so, don't we have more important things to worry about?
Some people need to look at the bigger picture.

Well more importantly, Dr. Paul's vote to Repeal DADT is in the best interests of national security. A closetted gay in the military is subject to blackmail because if they are outted they lose their career. Do we really want to have military personal with such a big target on them?

 

[nicoleeann]

I really dont see how it can be possible to allow gays in the military only because of the bunking situation and showering. How on earth can that work out? Its just impossible.

 

[ctb619]

I really dont see how it can be possible to allow gays in the military only because of the bunking situation and showering. How on earth can that work out? Its just impossible.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. What exactly is impossible? Many armed forces throughout the world have gay soldiers so it appears entirely possible.

 

[KurtBoyer25L]

Sup Nicole, welcome to the forums.

I get your point but by the same token, how do guys walk around nude beaches and not get erections? It's called being a respectful human being and turning off your libido. When I'm showering with lots of people I'm so embarrassed that even if Meadow Soprano is next to me, I'm not gonna start ogling her.

On the other hand, I think Dr. Paul's point is that extremely shallowly promiscuous people who can't keep it in their own pants, straight or gay, are a disruption. But I think if we took the handcuffs off our military (excuse the reference) they could destroy any army around the globe w/ one arm, even if the other arm is somewhere it shouldn't be.

 

[nicoleeann]

well how do they arrange the bunking? it doesnt make sense.

 

[specsaregood]

well how do they arrange the bunking? it doesnt make sense.

im pretty sure the gays use the same types of mattresses and pillows as the straights.

 

[KurtBoyer25L]

well how do they arrange the bunking? it doesnt make sense.

If gay people, straight people, and those in between are allowed to be honest and talk to their superiors about it beforehand, I should think a little common sense & discretion should do nicely.

 

[nicoleeann]

well i guess if the strait people sign up then they are okay with sleeping with gay people. i would never do it though. that would be really uncomfortable.

 

[specsaregood]

well i guess if the strait people sign up then they are okay with sleeping with gay people. i would never do it though. that would be really uncomfortable.

college students manage to do it every single day, I think we should expect that the members of our military are at least as strongwilled as college kids.

 

[nicoleeann]

If i were bunked with a lesbian in college i would ask to switch rooms. I have a lesbian friend who when i go over to her house i wont change in front of her or sleep in the same room.
but the fact is i guess: if they sign up for it, then they've done it voluntarily so they have to accept it.

 

[BlackTerrel]

I'll be honest I disagree with Dr. Paul on this one.

 

[TheTyke]

I will never understand this issue. Firstly, joining the military is VOLUNTARY, so it's not about "rights." Secondly, it was Clinton who implemented this at the behest of said groups - so why are they against it and socons for it now? Didn't work out as planned? New agenda?

It reminds me of Reid on the PatAct, Obama on... well, anything he promised, Conway on the drug war... I guessed the "ideological" lines are redrawn for political convenience.

 

[XTreat]

Active duty Army here 10 years. I could give a shit, bring on the gays. Either we are all equal or we aren't.

 

[libertarian4321]

I really dont see how it can be possible to allow gays in the military only because of the bunking situation and showering. How on earth can that work out? Its just impossible.

Gays have been in the military bunking and showering with straights all along- the only difference is, now the gays don't have to lie about it.

Gays shower with straights at the in college dorms, health club, at the YMCA, in high school gym class, on sports teams, etc. In other words, gays shower with straights all the time, both openly and otherwise.

I'm straight, but I've showered with (and roomed with, btw) open gays in sports, in college, in HS, etc. It was no big deal- as long as they aren't sexually harassing other soldiers (which is not allowed in the military), who cares?

I'm also military, and showered with plenty of gays there (they just lied about it).

Are we really saying that gays and straights showering together in college is no problem, but if the same thing happens in the military, the poor babies in the Army will just not be able to handle it? Really?

Are college pukes made of stronger stuff than soldiers? That's essentially what you are saying with this "bunks and showers argument- that soldiers are such dolts or wimps that they can't handle a situation that college kids live with every day.

I've served 30 years in the Army, active and reserve, and Ron Paul is right. I can think of no time in my service that serving with a gay guy would have made a damned bit of difference.

The whole "bunking and showering" bit is nonsense...

BTW, gays and straights serve together in the armies of MOST of the modern nations on Earth (UK, Germany, Israel, Sweden, France, Canada, Australia, and many others), and they don't have "shower" problems.

So I'll reiterate, the "bunks and showers" argument is bull crap.