Ron Paul and Anarchism

Wow the anarchists are really stretching here. Ron doesn't throw his anarchist supporters under the bus, but I have yet to see anyone take his comments at face value and realize that he clearly shows he isn't an anarchist in this video and talks about the fruits of his political involvement.
 
nayjevin said:
Wow the an anarchists [is] really stretching here. Ron doesn't throw his anarchist supporters under the bus, but I have yet to see anyone take his comments at face value and realize that he clearly shows he isn't an anarchist in this video and talks about the fruits of his political involvement.
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FTFY.
 
nayjevin said:
Wow the anarchists are really stretching here. Ron doesn't throw his anarchist supporters under the bus, but I have yet to see anyone take his comments at face value and realize that he clearly shows he isn't an anarchist in this video and talks about the fruits of his political involvement.
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How do you figure? He says anyone who's an anarchist is a libertarian and is for non violence, therefore he is for them. He's clearly pro-anarchy here, but says that he believes working within the system for the purposes of education has merit. If he said, "No, we need government" I would agree with you. But he didn't say this, the only credibility he gave government is that we could use political campaigns for education.
 
Fredom101 said:
How do you figure? He says anyone who's an anarchist is a libertarian and is for non violence, therefore he is for them. He's clearly pro-anarchy here, but says that he believes working within the system for the purposes of education has merit. If he said, "No, we need government" I would agree with you. But he didn't say this, the only credibility he gave government is that we could use political campaigns for education.
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No, he doesn't say those things. I don't know but what his words mean at face value when hearing them without hoping they mean something else.
 
Based on the above video, I think Ron agrees with the principles of anarcho-capitalism but he doesn't necessarily see them as actually workable. Its possible that his views have evolved over time as well.
 
Of course Ron won't say he's an anarchist. That would destroy Rand and the entire liberty movement. Ron more than likely believes in a stateless-society that doesn't force individuals to do anything, but wants us to voluntarily have things like education, national defense, and etc. It's more like voluntary secession.
 
Earlier in the CSpan interview, Ron said that self-government is the goal, and if it isn't possible to get there, then get as close to home as possible. It reiterated that twice.

This is at least the third time in an interview that he's publicly said that self-government is the goal/endgame.
 
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Earlier in the CSpan interview, Ron said that self-government is the goal, and if it isn't possible to get there, then get as close to home as possible. It reiterated that twice.

This is at least the third time in an interview that he's publicly said that self-government is the goal/endgame.
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Right, and self-government includes voluntary contractual socialist communes and self-contained police state co-ops.
 
Feeding the Abscess said:
Earlier in the CSpan interview, Ron said that self-government is the goal, and if it isn't possible to get there, then get as close to home as possible. It reiterated that twice.

This is at least the third time in an interview that he's publicly said that self-government is the goal/endgame.
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Exactly. There's another interview from 2008 where the voluntaryists interviewing him asked him the question:

"If given the choice between a small government libertarian society or an anarcho-capitalist society, which would you be for.

Ron answered, clearly: "In that case I would join the anarchists."

Yes he believes in true anarchy, but sees that people can be educated through the political system (as long as it exists).
 
Fredom101 said:
Exactly. There's another interview from 2008 where the voluntaryists interviewing him asked him the question:

"If given the choice between a small government libertarian society or an anarcho-capitalist society, which would you be for.

Ron answered, clearly: "In that case I would join the anarchists."

Yes he believes in true anarchy, but sees that people can be educated through the political system (as long as it exists).
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Can you give me a link?

I was convinced that anarcho-capitalism was the best possible solution since around this time last year, but I kind of assumed that while Ron understood that point of view that he was more of a minarchist. But this thread is really convincing me that I was wrong.
 
FreedomFanatic said:
Can you give me a link?

I was convinced that anarcho-capitalism was the best possible solution since around this time last year, but I kind of assumed that while Ron understood that point of view that he was more of a minarchist. But this thread is really convincing me that I was wrong.
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Can't find it. I know I saw it. Here's one where he discusses self government, great interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFYRHZpavX4

"Self government is really what my goal is."
-Ron Paul
 
"I haven’t accepted the idea that tomorrow we can scratch it and have no government… I would say from what I believed in the very first time I ran for congress in 1974 compared to now, I would say that I’m much closer to [anarchism] than I was when I first went. So I’ve always gone in that direction. But I haven’t been able to figure this out about competing police forces and [such]… I haven’t gotten to the point where all problems can be solved without any government whatsoever. I think the competing police forces could be a problem." -- Ron Paul
 
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Warlord said:
Ron is a CONSTITUTIONALIST. That's the best way to describe him and his views...........
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Ron Paul calls himself a Voluntaryist - The UK Libertarian
theuklibertarian.com/2011/05/.../ron-paul-calls-himself-a-voluntaryist/ ‎
May 6, 2011 ... Ron Paul is a fixture at the Mises Institute which is pretty explicitly anarcho-
capitalist on the average. He's more principled than any other ...


Voluntaryism (or sometimes voluntarism), is a libertarian philosophy which holds that all forms of human association should be voluntary.[SUP][2][/SUP] The principle most frequently used to support voluntaryism is the non-aggression principle (NAP). It is closely associated with, and often used synonymously with, the anarcho-capitalist philosophy.

Many voluntaryists base their thinking on the ideas of voluntaryist philosophers Murray Rothbard and Robert LeFevre. Rothbard maintained, first, that every government "presumes to establish a compulsory monopoly of defense (police and courts) service over some geographical area. So that individual property owners who prefer to subscribe to another defense company within that area are not allowed to do so"; and, second, that every government obtains its income by extortion, euphemistically labeled "taxation". "All governments, however limited they may be otherwise, commit at least these two fundamental crimes against liberty and property."[SUP][3][/SUP]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntaryism
 
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