alexa doherty
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We have to wait and see how ron does. Only after the primaries will we know.
Ron Paul- 3rd Party Candidate? Is it time yet?
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Let be known if there are 10 million true patriots left that aren't airheads. This mathematical statement holds true. 10 mill people x $100 = $1bill. I don't want to hear those snippy answers why not $1 trill ect. ARE THERE THAT MANY PEOPLE THAT TRULY CARES FOR THIS COUNTRY???
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I registered just to put in my two cents here. I am not a troll, I have been supporting Ron Paul for months.
I think the biggest thing holding back Dr Paul is the stigma of the Republican party. I don't know how many people I try to tell about Ron Paul who get cloudy when I mention he's a Republican. They just kind of glaze over and tune me out until I actually get them online and educate them a little, even then the Republican label is to hard for some of them to swallow. It's pretty obvious that's why the Democratic turn out is basically doubling the GOP in these early events. Most Americans don't want "Republican" tied to their name anymore and simply will not vote GOP regardless of the message. Ron Paul speaks of blow back and we can use this as another example of it. The neo-cons have basically soiled the Republican name for at least the next four to eight years.
Personally I feel as if Dr Paul should announce just before Super Tuesday and declare that he will run the remainder of his campaign as an Independent. I know in my heart that a-lot of people will come over to our camp if he is not affiliated with the GOP and that even the Republicans currently supporting him would continue to do so regardless of his partisan affiliation. Look at it this way, a general election debate with only three potential candidates. Ron Paul being the only true anti-war voice. We are sitting in a good position here folks.
Don't get me wrong, his move to run Republican early was a stroke of genius whether intentional or not. It has garnered him a solid base of supporters and a nice plump wallet that will allow him to run as an Independent on the "Big Stage". But, for him to remain Republican much longer only restricts the potential for growth that is possible. Simply put, we need to convert Democratic voters to the Ron Paul camp more then any other group. We will never do that as long as he wears the Red.
Just my opinion. Ron Paul 2008!
I think the biggest thing holding back Dr Paul is the stigma of the Republican party. I don't know how many people I try to tell about Ron Paul who get cloudy when I mention he's a Republican. They just kind of glaze over and tune me out until I actually get them online and educate them a little, even then the Republican label is to hard for some of them to swallow. It's pretty obvious that's why the Democratic turn out is basically doubling the GOP in these early events. Most Americans don't want "Republican" tied to their name anymore and simply will not vote GOP regardless of the message. Ron Paul speaks of blow back and we can use this as another example of it. The neo-cons have basically soiled the Republican name for at least the next four to eight years.
Personally I feel as if Dr Paul should announce just before Super Tuesday and declare that he will run the remainder of his campaign as an Independent. I know in my heart that a-lot of people will come over to our camp if he is not affiliated with the GOP and that even the Republicans currently supporting him would continue to do so regardless of his partisan affiliation. Look at it this way, a general election debate with only three potential candidates. Ron Paul being the only true anti-war voice. We are sitting in a good position here folks.
Don't get me wrong, his move to run Republican early was a stroke of genius whether intentional or not. It has garnered him a solid base of supporters and a nice plump wallet that will allow him to run as an Independent on the "Big Stage". But, for him to remain Republican much longer only restricts the potential for growth that is possible. Simply put, we need to convert Democratic voters to the Ron Paul camp more then any other group. We will never do that as long as he wears the Red.
Just my opinion. Ron Paul 2008!
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You don't want to wait just for an election year. Get involved in the party NOW and STAY INVOLVED. That grassroots change will last. Then when election year rolls around the battle is already in your favor. Besides which you can make changes in the platform and start electing REAL conservatives.
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Then stress that he's a Constitutionalist.
Sorry Lyn just stating my opinion on this situation. Some of Dr Paul's recent comments lead me to believe that his candidacy as an Independent is inevitable. There is no way on God's green Earth the GOP hardcores will let Ron Paul be their candidate in the General election. Just the sight of the other candidates belittling and laughing at him during the ABC debate and Fox's choice to exclude him from their little pardon my french...circle jerk should be proof of this. Not to mention the way in which ABC virtually excluded him from the post debate discussion and forgot to mention who looked most Presidential according to facebookers.
Also as I mentioned earlier Democratic numbers are simply dwarfing GOP numbers in regard to turnout. Dr Paul's best chance is to leave the Republican party as soon as it is beneficial to his campaign to do so. Even if Ron won every single GOP vote the Democratic numbers would trample us in the end. Again I apologize if you believe I am doing harm to the movement in any way but I feel open discussion on this topic should be encouraged and I have a feeling that in the weeks to come more Ron Paul supporters will align with this position. If we cannot convert massive amounts of Democrats in the coming months we stand no chance at the White House. Our best chance to convert Dems is to shed the Republican label all together. It stinks of War, corruption and death. All of which are not representative of the message Ron Paul conveys.
Trolls! How about JERKS! None of us asking the question are trolling or trying to piss anyone off in this forum.....just because we haven't made 500 post or spend 8 hours a day on this site means we don't care or try to ask logical and informative questions. I am a life. I am a life time Republican and am new to this site a few days ago and Ron Paul several weeks ago. First thing I did was a "word search" of "3rd party" or "independent"...nothing comes up...zero, nada....so for you folks that have been over this topic time and time again... get over it and yourselves...we like RP message and want to hear more. See how the next few days or weeks plays out but keep the "grassroots" option alive. and hey...don't kick the new guys!
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The Ron Paul revolution won't end on November 4
The people who think Ron's presidential election is our one chance to take back our republic are short-sighted. These are usually the same people who get depressed because we didn't win Iowa, or New Hampshire, or any other state.
If Ron doesn't get the nomination, then I strongly think he should run as a Libertarian, since the LP already has a party infrastructure, ballot access is already established in many states, and Ron DID run as a Libertarian in 1988.
In addition, the LP should then have a candidate for EVERY congressional election, plus as many state elections as possible, starting with governor.
I was a member of the LP 10 years ago, I ran for congress, but I was disillusioned with the incompetence of both the national and state parties. I will not join until I KNOW there are capable people with a credible long term vision of how to create a successful political party that will take the place of one of the other parties. Obviously the Republican Party will have to go, all the neo-cons can just join up with the Democrats.
The people who think Ron's presidential election is our one chance to take back our republic are short-sighted. These are usually the same people who get depressed because we didn't win Iowa, or New Hampshire, or any other state.
If Ron doesn't get the nomination, then I strongly think he should run as a Libertarian, since the LP already has a party infrastructure, ballot access is already established in many states, and Ron DID run as a Libertarian in 1988.
In addition, the LP should then have a candidate for EVERY congressional election, plus as many state elections as possible, starting with governor.
I was a member of the LP 10 years ago, I ran for congress, but I was disillusioned with the incompetence of both the national and state parties. I will not join until I KNOW there are capable people with a credible long term vision of how to create a successful political party that will take the place of one of the other parties. Obviously the Republican Party will have to go, all the neo-cons can just join up with the Democrats.
an RP quote from an interview today.....
The most interesting political question about Paul concerns whether he will run as an independent after he loses the Republican nod. Paul refuses to promise that he won't, and one can already hear how would frame an independent run: "The investment was made by the supporters," he notes. They gave the money, they'll decide what to do with it. In other words, if they demand it, he will have no choice but to go forward.
guess that answers that question!
go rp go! good luck in NH..maybe he won't need it but get ready to shift gears and truly go national.
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The most interesting political question about Paul concerns whether he will run as an independent after he loses the Republican nod. Paul refuses to promise that he won't, and one can already hear how would frame an independent run: "The investment was made by the supporters," he notes. They gave the money, they'll decide what to do with it. In other words, if they demand it, he will have no choice but to go forward.
guess that answers that question!
go rp go! good luck in NH..maybe he won't need it but get ready to shift gears and truly go national.
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Third Party run would give RP a lot more time to get the message out. We would have to double up on our 4th quarter donations so that he could compete with the other two nominees. Can you imagine having to listen to Hillary and Giuliani from March to November? People would be clamoring to vote for RP.
But RP is in good shape right now. Let's kick butt in N.H., NV, MI, SC, and FL and go from there. Strong showing in these states and sky's the limit on Feb. 5.
Seriously! Stay focused on the present.
But RP is in good shape right now. Let's kick butt in N.H., NV, MI, SC, and FL and go from there. Strong showing in these states and sky's the limit on Feb. 5.
Seriously! Stay focused on the present.
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.....maybe this should be posted at the end of the NH debate 7/8/08 or this has been around already (although I have't seen it in the past week or so) but please take a look at the web site...if this has been around...plz send me the thread so I don't repeat and waste time.
Next big hurdle and new crosshairs for the RP forum!
www.opendebates.org
The control of any 3rd party candidate has been limited since Perot was allowed to debate....seems both parties think they lost potential votes. If RP finishes with 10% +/- several %,at not at the top, the RP forum may have to gear up and petition to make sure he is included.
The media and the sports bookies (check Vegas and the UK) have already pick Obama to win the national election, with the nearest GOP in 3rd or 4th....IMHO, this country will be hard pressed to elect a GOP candidate in 2008...going 3rd party is a viable option and will keep the RP train rolling.
Ventura had only 10% in the polls when running for Gov. in Min., allowed to debate and WON as an independent. The forces have changed and getting on the National Debate schedule will be the next Fox Debate the RP forum will have to set its cross hairs on...would love to see a debate with only three...Obama, GOP and Ron Paul....this is the platform we want to be on and the odds makers will be going nuts trying to figure out where the moderates and the independents will vote!!
not giving up....just thinking ahead.
Good luck in NH
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Next big hurdle and new crosshairs for the RP forum!
www.opendebates.org
The control of any 3rd party candidate has been limited since Perot was allowed to debate....seems both parties think they lost potential votes. If RP finishes with 10% +/- several %,at not at the top, the RP forum may have to gear up and petition to make sure he is included.
The media and the sports bookies (check Vegas and the UK) have already pick Obama to win the national election, with the nearest GOP in 3rd or 4th....IMHO, this country will be hard pressed to elect a GOP candidate in 2008...going 3rd party is a viable option and will keep the RP train rolling.
Ventura had only 10% in the polls when running for Gov. in Min., allowed to debate and WON as an independent. The forces have changed and getting on the National Debate schedule will be the next Fox Debate the RP forum will have to set its cross hairs on...would love to see a debate with only three...Obama, GOP and Ron Paul....this is the platform we want to be on and the odds makers will be going nuts trying to figure out where the moderates and the independents will vote!!
not giving up....just thinking ahead.
Good luck in NH
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I think all Americans want a third party, this could be the time to launch it with all of Ron Pauls support. That in of itself would be a great legacy.
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