Ron just owned Huckabee on Fox

[mconder]

Being a Mormon, I'm not sure what disturbs me more...Mitt Romney who poorly represents our the Mormon faith (at least the old Mitt), or Huckabee who uses the name of Jesus for political gain. I find both men utterly repulsive.

 

[Joe3113]

I've heard people saying it's bad that he said this. THAT IS ABSOLUTE CRAP. I think it's good for us that he said this. It makes him look well read.

Christians will now have a closer look at Huackabee and this can only be good. Huckabee is like an onion, the more layers you peel away, the more it stinks.

 

[Menthol Patch]

Yeah..right.

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Is the following what you are implying he might do?

Ron Paul "They are ALL FASCISTS because so and so and so...."

Well, here is what I see as the response:

All Democrats and Republicans "The old man has lost it"

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This is what I mean by over-confidence, it can bury you.

It is not over-confidence.

Ron Paul needs to explain the concept of fascism and then explain how all the other candidates are leading us towards a fascist state!

For example,

Host: Do you think all the other candidates are fascist?

Ron Paul: They all support the war in Iraq, massive military spending, the violation of privacy rights, high taxes, and would sacrifice freedom for security with things like the Patriot Act that I voted against by the way. It's obvious to me they would lead this nation away from freedom!

 

[Dave Wood]

the only thing im worried about ---

he sounds tired

at the start of the video he says hes in desmoines -- why does he say that?...
he sounded tired :/ i hope hes ok

wingman, this was on fox---these people are con artists, he was setup to look awkward right off the bat. All it takes is for a producer to say something into RP` earpiece without anyone else hearing what was asked.

 

[Menthol Patch]

I've heard people saying it's bad that he said this. THAT IS ABSOLUTE CRAP. I think it's good for us that he said this. It makes him look well read.

Christians will now have a closer look at Huackabee and this can only be good. Huckabee is like an onion, the more layers you peel away, the more it stinks.

I agree. This is a good thing.

 

[Phenom24]

Hey all -

Where is the link to the comment Huckabee made regarding reaching out a hand to the middle east? I can't find it and am going nuts with the search box wait time.

Thanks -

Glenn

 

[Sandra]

It is Exactly what we conservative Christians have been feeling about religion and politics. Hijacking religious beliefs for political purposes is as low as anyone can get!

 

[TheEvilDetector]

I've heard people saying it's bad that he said this. THAT IS ABSOLUTE CRAP. I think it's good for us that he said this. It makes him look well read.

Christians will now have a closer look at Huackabee and this can only be good. Huckabee is like an onion, the more layers you peel away, the more it stinks.

I wish I shared your optimism, but time will tell how this comment will affect Ron's campaign, if at all.

 

[Fyretrohl]

You know...Something just struck me. What if the slam was not at the Huckabee campaign...But, at Fox news itself?

Also, if you take the soundbit simple statement, you end up with a possible problem. If you look at the WHOLE statement, you have a valid point. He did not call Huckster a fascist. He said that the imagery used by Huckabee reminding him of that quote. HOWEVER, as he completed his thought, he said he did not know if it was a fair assessment, but, that Huckabee IS trying to push himself as the only christian candidate on the stage. Folks, don't lose site. THAT is the point. If Huckabee is swinging his religion like a big stick and claiming that is the reason to vote him, so he can make our nation more this or that...*looks at definition of fascism.

Yep...My religion is better than yours so I should be your leader and you should kill/not vote for the others. Taken right from...Osama bin Laden's book.

I am religious. I want a man of faith in office. But, I don't want to vote Religion into office.

 

[Swmorgan77]

Could you see the expression on Dr. Paul's face when the commentator stuck up for Huckabee saying "he's not selling Fascism". It was priceless...

He had that look that just says "Oh PLEASE let me respond to that.."

Of course that wasn't about to happen. The fact is that Huckabee IS selling Fascism just like every other candidate except Ron Paul. State-corporate partnership and authoritarian control. Fascist economics was introducted under JFK and has increased with every President since.

Because of his overtly Christian demeanor and Patriotic rhetoric Huck is the perfect wrapping paper for that Fascism. Just like Lewis said, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.

 

[Ninja Homer]

Ron handled it perfectly. How many times has he been on Fox? He's ignored by Fox more than any other candidate, and when they do have him on, they run a f'ing Huckabee commercial and ask Ron Paul to comment on it?

My "one word answer" for media would have been a lot worse, maybe tool, liars, sensationalists, or even fascists. I wouldn't have been able to control myself nearly as well as Ron did after that BS.

Ron Paul attacked an idea, not any specific person. He always has and always will attack ideas very strongly. I am yet to see him attack a specific person in this campaign, and I think he gets a lot of respect for that, even from people who don't support him.

 

[LFOD]

This will not hurt Paul. It'll get people talking. It puts a wrench into the "just ignore him" strategy. And, the fact is, Huckabee is abusing his religion for political purposes, just as Giuliani is abusing 9/11. Wrapping themselves in the flag and carrying a cross. If the national conversation turns towards the legitimacy of this strategy, it can only benefit Paul.

Huckabee may call for an apology. Or he may choose to ignore it. We'll see. If Ron is asked to apologize, I will be very interested to see the response.

This is controversial, but not a blunder. The biggest threat to Paul is that everyone will be able to keep him ignored and unheard.

There were a lot of people who thought that when RP said "they attack us because we're over there" was a campaign ender. Dead wrong. It started a necessary conversation, got a lot of people thinking, and made him stand out.

 

[Birdlady]

TheEvilDetector,

What answer should Ron have given? I asked you this a few pages back but I guess you missed it.

Here's the exact question.
"We had a guest a little while ago, that said he thought it was inappropriate to be using religion for political purposes, Congressman I am just curious what you think?"

Here was Ron's complete response:

"Well [clears throat], I haven't thought about it completely, but you know it reminds me of what Sinclair Lewis once said, He said when [slight laugh] fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross. Now I don't know whether thats a [slight laugh] fair assessment or not, but you wonder about using a cross like he is the only Christian or implying that subtlety. So I don't think I would ever use anything like that."

 

[Swmorgan77]

Being a Mormon, I'm not sure what disturbs me more...Mitt Romney who poorly represents our the Mormon faith (at least the old Mitt), or Huckabee who uses the name of Jesus for political gain. I find both men utterly repulsive.

Yep and they are both perfect illustrations of that Sinclair Lewis quote.

Romney's policies are textbook Fascism... just look at "Romney-care". Its a perfect example of state-corporate partnership and authoritarian control, and he wants us to think its "Free Market" simply because it is a PRIVATE company that gets the largess from the Treasury and people are forced to buy into.

 

[Swmorgan77]

I wish I shared your optimism, but time will tell how this comment will affect Ron's campaign, if at all.

Well let's see, what's the worst that could happen. Lots of news headlines like "Ron Paul calls Huckabee a Fascist" and more media attention. If Ron Paul was asked about this later and given the chance to "explain" it or "clarify" it he could definitely back it up.

I don't see a down side, personally.

 

[Falseflagop]

Very calculated move by RON !! He knows what he said. Wanted people to be aware of what fasicism is about and how it comes into being!

Great move, we have nothing to lose. Our people are not going anywhere it will only gain people to the REVOLUTION!

 

[BeFranklin]

He said it on Fox, the belly of the beast with the cross. Actually, the owner of the network received a papal knighthood from the pope if I remember correctly. Very cross bearing network. Ron Paul hit it on the head exactly where it needs to go. I hope they are offended by it a lot and keep mentioning it. They need to hear it.

 

[Dave Wood]

IT`s beginning to play out there...USA today has this:



Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'

Asked about Republican rival Mike Huckabee's Christmas-themed ad, which we wrote about yesterday and has attracted attention in part because of the image of a cross that many see hovering over Huckabee's shoulder, GOP presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul said this morning on FOX & Friends that:

"It reminds me of what Sinclair Lewis once said. He says, 'when fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross.' Now I don't know whether that's a fair assessment or not, but you wonder about using a cross, like he is the only Christian or implying that subtly. So, I don't think I would ever use anything like that." (Fox has put video from some of the interview here. To see Paul talking about the Huckabee ad, though, you need to check this clip at YouTube.)

Paul's linking of Huckabee's ad to fascism is certainly an attention-getter.

So too is a presidential contender quoting Sinclair Lewis, winner of the 1930 Nobel Prize in Literature and author of books including Babbit, Main Street and Elmer Gantry. That doesn't happen too often.

Out of curiosity, we did some checking to see if Lewis did actually say or write what Paul attributed to him.

The answer:

According to the executive director of The Sinclair Lewis Society, Illinois State University English Department associate dean Sally Parry, "it sounds like something Sinclair Lewis might have said or written ... but we've never been able to attribute it to him." We spoke to her by telephone this morning.

After the conversation, Parry sent us an e-mail with passages from two books Lewis wrote that at least hint at the words Paul attributed to him.

• From It Can't Happen Here: "But he saw too that in America the struggle was befogged by the fact that the worst Fascists were they who disowned the word 'Fascism' and preached enslavement to Capitalism under the style of Constitutional and Traditional Native American Liberty."

• From Gideon Planish: "I just wish people wouldn't quote Lincoln or the Bible, or hang out the flag or the cross, to cover up something that belongs more to the bank-book and the three golden balls."

According to Parry, the Lewis Society's website "must get a query about this (quote) every week." She doesn't know how it originally came to be attributed to Lewis.

Does anyone reading this have any insight to add on the quote's origins?

And, what about Paul's critique of the ad? Fair or not?

Update at 12:15 p.m. ET. The Huckabee campaign comments on the cross image:

Jill is in Des Moines today and spoke with Huckabee's Iowa director, Eric Woolson, about whether the cross that appears behind Huckabee in the ad was put there intentionally.

"It's the window frame in the background," Woolson said. "Once you've got it in your head that it's a cross, it's a cross." He said he didn't know if it was deliberate or not. "People are free to view the ad anyway that they'd like to view the ad."

 

[Todd]

Ron handled it perfectly. How many times has he been on Fox? He's ignored by Fox more than any other candidate, and when they do have him on, they run a f'ing Huckabee commercial and ask Ron Paul to comment on it?

My "one word answer" for media would have been a lot worse, maybe tool, liars, sensationalists, or even fascists. I wouldn't have been able to control myself nearly as well as Ron did after that BS.

Ron Paul attacked an idea, not any specific person. He always has and always will attack ideas very strongly. I am yet to see him attack a specific person in this campaign, and I think he gets a lot of respect for that, even from people who don't support him.

Yes!! You invite Ron on and you talk about someone else instead. Very biased.

 

[wgadget]

No, what it might do is green light vicious personal attacks.

Over-confidence is the number one danger.

I just don't get where you're coming from, Evil. If you think this was a "vicious personal attack," you haven't watched many elections. Dr. Paul did NOT say Huckabee is a fascist. He's too smart for that.

And where have you been? Do you not listen to talk radio where the name Ron Paul is equated with NUTJOB and KOOK? That's all I've heard the past 24 hours. It must stop, and I think RP's statement here will allow him to EDUCATE Americans about fascism. Most probably don't really even know what it is...