Ron DeSantis On The Record

[devil21]

I am cross posting this here, as the other thread is about COVID, and this thread is more on-topic.



I guess I’m not understanding your definition of “not playing the game”, as you seem to post quite a bit about potential 2024 candidates.

Is education part of "the game"? Or is only cheerleading and voting (lol) for the preselected-and-packaged-by-MadisonAve-for-mass-public-consumption-faces-in-suits on-the-teevee "the game"? Or somewhere in between?

It's pretty obvious that DeSantis is being propped up under that model as the 2024 savior of the GOP. You'd think there are only two or three "Republican" governors in the entire 50 states if you only watched media. That's a pretty solid sign of who is being inserted into the public consciousness for later use, especially since Donald proved that the "anti-establishment-controlled-opposition" method works pretty well for national elections these days .

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Is education part of "the game"?

That is the question, isn't it?

Nothing wrong with education or vetting of candidates. I highly support it.

But why spend time doing that if you have sworn off voting? Every politician has donors and organizations that back them for a variety of reasons. They usually have some bad votes. I suppose if your crusade is to convince others not to vote, and to be negative on every candidate, then it would be consistent to say "don't play the game", yet simultaneously be playing a related game.

If there is someone who votes mostly like Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Thomas Massie or Justin Amash, we would like to know about it and support them, and even vote for them if applicable.

It's pretty obvious that DeSantis is being propped up under that model as the 2024 savior of the GOP. You'd think there are only two or three "Republican" governors in the entire 50 states if you only watched media. That's a pretty solid sign of who is being inserted into the public consciousness for later use, especially since Donald proved that the "anti-establishment-controlled-opposition" method works pretty well for national elections these days .

That is more on topic of this thread. I haven't made up my mind on DeSantis. Is there a secret, coordinated plan to insert DeSantis into the mix by the media and establishment? I don't believe the media likes him. I like to keep it simple. They heap the same disdain on Massie, but I don't believe that means they are grooming Massie for future office.

Ron Paul speaks positively about DeSantis quite often on The Liberty Report. I take it at face value. Politicians take good positions and bad positions. Support them when they take good positions, don't support bad positions. And it's about the person, not the party. I support individuals, not parties.

I would note that the OP has highlighted negatives, not any positives. When it comes time for vetting, I will be interested in both side of the balance sheet.

 

[PAF]

That is the question, isn't it?

Nothing wrong with education or vetting of candidates. I highly support it.

But why spend time doing that if you have sworn off voting? Every politician has donors and organizations that back them for a variety of reasons. They usually have some bad votes. I suppose if your crusade is to convince others not to vote, and to be negative on every candidate, then it would be consistent to say "don't play the game", yet simultaneously be playing a related game.

If there is someone who votes mostly like Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Thomas Massie or Justin Amash, we would like to know about it and support them, and even vote for them if applicable.



That is more on topic of this thread. I haven't made up my mind on DeSantis. Is there a secret, coordinated plan to insert DeSantis into the mix by the media and establishment? I don't believe the media likes him. I like to keep it simple. They heap the same disdain on Massie, but I don't believe that means they are grooming Massie for future office.

Ron Paul speaks positively about DeSantis quite often on The Liberty Report. I take it at face value. Politicians take good positions and bad positions. Support them when they take good positions, don't support bad positions. And it's about the person, not the party. I support individuals, not parties.

I would note that the OP has highlighted negatives, not any positives. When it comes time for vetting, I will be interested in both side of the balance sheet.

Good, bad or indifferent, there is a reason I put a Green Asterisk * next to Rand Paul's name. What everybody does is up to them.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-Presidential-Candidates-List-And-Information

 

[Political]

If you guys read this book, you will not look at politics the same way. Oh it states all of the problems you are talking about, but it has solutions and a path to get there. It is at www.americasbattleplan.com Politicians do not want us to read this book.

 

[acptulsa]

Nothing wrong with education or vetting of candidates. I highly support it.

But why spend time doing that if you have sworn off voting?

And what if you have a few million roommates who swear by it, and actually do what the sociopath they choose says to do? Could the stuff affect your life? Could one decide to help them do it right as a favor to them, just so they don't have so much buyer's remorse?

Maybe he thinks he is wasting his time, but he wants to experiment and see if the fact that the pot is at 211° F causes the frogs to grow brains.

What did PAF do, exactly, to cause you to impugn his motives? Tell you the truth about someone you were wrong about?

That is more on topic of this thread. I haven't made up my mind on DeSantis. Is there a secret, coordinated plan to insert DeSantis into the mix by the media and establishment? I don't believe the media likes him.

The media pretended to hate Trump. You remember. You bought in hook, line and sinker. He got elected, then he conspired with Pelosi to trash the mother fucking Constitution.

Somebody

Got

Played



If keeping it this simple is the best Republican voters can do then we might as well let them have their mail in scam and their Diebolds, because we are fucked.

Is that why the man's motives are being questioned here? Just because he told the truth about someone millions misplaced their faith in? We can't learn better and do better because our pride's hurt? We must go into denial? No wonder the Bible says pride goeth before a fall.

I don't give a flying fuck who pretends that who pisses them off. Give me a He Who Must Not Be Named or give me death. Seriously. This ain't no party. This ain't no disco. This is the totalitarian endgame.

Just

Shoot

Me

DeSantis is just as much in bed with Big Pharma as anyone in D.C. That is a fact, on the record. If he saves you from the jab, you had better look close at what's in whatever he is selling, because the media don't give away that kind of publicity, even hateful publicity, to anyone who isn't a tool.

How many times do we need to relearn this lesson? Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Will Thomas Massie be there to save the Constitution of the United States from Pelosi next time?

Of course they're capable of saying, Republicans nominate whoever CNN talks the most smack about, so make sure CNN talks the most smack about our tool. Underestimating the enemy is how one gets in a mess like this, not how one gets out.

 

[Firestarter]

A jury found Rudy Giuliani's associate Lev Parnas guilty of breaking campaign finance laws.
Parnas and his associate Igor Fruman illegally funneled at least $156,000 in political donations from Russian businessman Andrey Muraviev.
Parnas also illegally made a $325,000 contribution to a pro-Trump super PAC through a shell company from another source.
Parnas and Fruman also concealed that they were the true source of a donation in support of then-President Donald.

(...)

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis also received part of the $1 million that Parnas and Fruman received from Muraviev in campaign donations.
See (from left), Parnas, Trump lawyers Pam Bondi and Giuliani and DeSantis.

President-Donald-Campaign-promises

 

[Snowball]

Why hasn't he supported any major pro-gun legislation?

probably because that's not what AIPAC tells him to do.

 

[PAF]

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[PAF]

Establishment pick for 2024 bump.

 

[PAF]

With all that red [bad] in the OP, I scratch my head why people still like this guy.

 

[PAF]

He's getting lots of airtime, but not a thing about his record.

 

[PAF]

Updated.

 

[Brett85]

I don't think anyone else is any better than Desantis from a limited government perspective, with the exception of clear liberty-oriented members of Congress like Rand, Massie, Lee, etc.

 

[PAF]

I don't think anyone else is any better than Desantis from a limited government perspective, with the exception of clear liberty-oriented members of Congress like Rand, Massie, Lee, etc.

Perhaps you should read (or re-read) the OP of this thread. If you believe eVerify is good, and DeSantis makes no mention of the need to reduce the size of government but instead elaborates on his strategy of using expansive government power to protect individual freedoms is ok, not to mention all of those other simply pathetic votes, you've got yourself a candidate.

Unless you were clearly joking, which wasn't clear at all.

 

[Brett85]

Perhaps you should read (or re-read) the OP of this thread. If you believe eVerify is good, and DeSantis makes no mention of the need to reduce the size of government but instead elaborates on his strategy of using expansive government power to protect individual freedoms is ok, not to mention all of those other simply pathetic votes, you've got yourself a candidate.

Unless you were clearly joking, which wasn't clear at all.

Nothing you wrote negates what I wrote. DeSantis clearly isn’t perfect, but other than Rand, Massie, and Lee, who is any better? Trump?

 

[Brett85]

I hear more and more libertarians arguing all the time in favor of using “expansive government power” to protect individual freedom. I don’t agree with it, but it seems like it’s become the standard libertarian position. That’s what most of these anti ESG laws are about, increasing regulations on businesses in order to “protect individual liberty.” It seems highly inconsistent and unprincipled to me, but all kinds of self professed libertarians support that.

 

[PAF]

Nothing you wrote negates what I wrote. DeSantis clearly isn’t perfect, but other than Rand, Massie, and Lee, who is any better? Trump?

Lesser of evil and all that... he doesn't cut the mustard. Plain and simple.

 

[PAF]

I hear more and more libertarians arguing all the time in favor of using “expansive government power” to protect individual freedom. I don’t agree with it, but it seems like it’s become the standard libertarian position. That’s what most of these anti ESG laws are about, increasing regulations on businesses in order to “protect individual liberty.” It seems highly inconsistent and unprincipled to me, but all kinds of self professed libertarians support that.

Whatever they call themselves, or whatever they call me... or they've been co-opt.

Check out my sig. Read Chapter 39 first (it's short) to get the gist.

 

[PAF]

Updated OP:

- DeSantis and Torture by Peter Van Buren, Ron Paul Institute June 5, 2023

 

[PAF]

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