Romney Uses Religion. Nevada: Romey 34%, Paul Got 16%!

[Chiznaddy]

Nevada's mormon population is 6.8%
http://www.mymanmitt.com/mitt-romney/2008/01/cynical-nevada-read_18.asp

According to CNN's exit polls 26% of Nevada caucus goers were mormon and 95% of them voted for Romney.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/index.html#NVREP

Mr. Romney, who said himself that his religion should not affect his campaign, obviously paid big bucks to make sure a disproportionate amount of mormons showed up at the Nevada caucus.

Also, consider that Republicans suspiciously had a significantly larger number of votes than democrats, in a state that is spilt 40% each way.

This means that 19% of the votes cast at the Nevada caucuses are unrepresentative of the true voter sentiment in the state.

Take that 19% of mormons that are over-represented times 95% that voted for Romney, minus the 3% average that voted for either Paul or McCain. That means Romney's total should really only have been almost 18% lower than the 52% that he has currently registered.

Now, Romney in essence only got 34% of the vote. So, with 79% of the precincts reporting, Romney should have 11,929 votes, not 18,200 [18,000 - 6,271 (34,839 total votes x disproportionate mormon votes of 18%)].

More significantly, that means Paul's 4,563 votes (with 79% reporting) is really 16%.

 

[CareerTech1]

I'm mormon - and Romney has no influence over Mormon's on who they vote for. The church itself will not take a position on a candidate - and tells the members to study out each candidate's positions carefully and vote for who you think is best.

Mormon's consider the Constitution to be a "divinely inspired" document. Hence why there are groups of "Mormons for Ron Paul" out there.

I converted from the Romney campaign to Ron Paul based on principle of what Ron Paul stands for.

 

[Mr. White]

I'm always leary of someone who starts their conclusion with the word 'obviously'.. Interesting stats though

 

[Menthol Patch]

I'm mormon - and Romney has no influence over Mormon's on who they vote for. The church itself will not take a position on a candidate - and tells the members to study out each candidate's positions carefully and vote for who you think is best.

Mormon's consider the Constitution to be a "divinely inspired" document. Hence why there are groups of "Mormons for Ron Paul" out there.

I converted from the Romney campaign to Ron Paul based on principle of what Ron Paul stands for.

Thank you.

 

[EvoPro]

My family is mormon. Many mormons believe that Romney is fiscally/socially conservative, simply because others say so. And since he is mormon they see no reason not to vote for him. We need to squash this concept that Romney is a fiscal conservative.

 

[dkim68]

My family is mormon. Many mormons believe that Romney is fiscally/socially conservative, simply because others say so. And since he is mormon they see no reason not to vote for him. We need to squash this concept that Romney is a fiscal conservative.

Do they care that he's a f*cking liar? Calling him a flip-flopper is too nice.

 

[Chiznaddy]

I understand your point, but...

I'm mormon - and Romney has no influence over Mormon's on who they vote for. The church itself will not take a position on a candidate - and tells the members to study out each candidate's positions carefully and vote for who you think is best.

Mormon's consider the Constitution to be a "divinely inspired" document. Hence why there are groups of "Mormons for Ron Paul" out there.

I converted from the Romney campaign to Ron Paul based on principle of what Ron Paul stands for.

The observation/statistics I wrote about in no way say anything bad about mormons or that the church was promoting Romney.

Mormon churches, doing the right thing as you say does not stop individuals of that religion (as is the case with any religion), from simply accepting that a candidate of their own faith probably represents their ideals.

That being said, from the statistics, I think Romney may have taken advantage for the religion card.

 

[CareerTech1]

he didnt pull any religion card -

but yes people tend to take interest in someone that shares their beliefs

ignorance is what keeps people from seeing how many things in common people of different faiths / beliefs have - the core of all religions teach the same principles - and primarily the higher commandment / what Christ taught - "Love one another, by this ye shall know my disciples".

 

[djs]

true but.......

I'm mormon - and Romney has no influence over Mormon's on who they vote for. The church itself will not take a position on a candidate - and tells the members to study out each candidate's positions carefully and vote for who you think is best.

Mormon's consider the Constitution to be a "divinely inspired" document. Hence why there are groups of "Mormons for Ron Paul" out there.

I converted from the Romney campaign to Ron Paul based on principle of what Ron Paul stands for.

Being LDS also, I can reiterate that the Church does not outright support any candidate, however, Mitt has some very close ties with upper leasdership in the Church and the outright attitude at Church and among the members is that all members by default are supporting Mitt. Also, the Deseret News, which is LDS owned runs near daily articles on Romney. The most intersting thing about Mitt is that I cannot for the life of me recall or think of a pro-choice Mormon...they literally don't exist...yet Mitt a past stake president has been pro-choice, anit civil liberties, and even went so far as to deny the beginings of the church http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqjrmb7YSPM. Absolutey amazing! Yet, these sheople of the church continue to follow this hollow shell of a candidate and I guess would do so no matter what he says. It drives me crazy!

 

[Swmorgan77]

Being LDS also, I can reiterate that the Church does not outright support any candidate, however, Mitt has some very close ties with upper leasdership in the Church and the outright attitude at Church and among the members is that all members by default are supporting Mitt. Also, the Deseret News, which is LDS owned runs near daily articles on Romney. The most intersting thing about Mitt is that I cannot for the life of me recall or think of a pro-choice Mormon...they literally don't exist...yet Mitt a past stake president has been pro-choice, anit civil liberties, and even went so far as to deny the beginings of the church http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqjrmb7YSPM. Absolutey amazing! Yet, these sheople of the church continue to follow this hollow shell of a candidate and I guess would do so no matter what he says. It drives me crazy!

Ok so is anyone else noticing that there are a lot of us Mormon Ron Paul supporters?

When LDS people examine issues and vote on principle and on the basis of their beliefs, and not just because of religious association, they will vote for Ron Paul.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5flCgGJojIQ

 

[evadmurd]

I'm mormon - and Romney has no influence over Mormon's on who they vote for. The church itself will not take a position on a candidate - and tells the members to study out each candidate's positions carefully and vote for who you think is best.

Mormon's consider the Constitution to be a "divinely inspired" document. Hence why there are groups of "Mormons for Ron Paul" out there.

I converted from the Romney campaign to Ron Paul based on principle of what Ron Paul stands for.

I'm not Mormon. That was good to hear.

 

[BeFranklin]

Caucus is suppose to be closed and only for Republicans registered by December 19.

On January 10, 2008, a caucus director for the Nevada Republican Party reversed the earlier policy and anounced a new standard by stating that any person who asserts that they are a registered Republican in the precinct but cannot be found in the voter rolls that the Republican party has, would be able to participate if they signed an affidavit attesting to the fact that they were a registered Republican. Then, on January 15 the Ron Paul campaign received communication from the state party that the affidavits would not be used.

However, on January 17 the policy was changed for a third time, as the state party announced that affidavits would be in use throughout the state, subject to the discretion of county central committees and chairs.

The Nevada Republican Party is changing the rules from week to week, and currently the rules will not even be uniform across the state, as eligibility rules may differ from county to county.

January 18, 2008 3:10 pm EST

ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA – Today, the Ron Paul 2008 campaign is calling on the Nevada State Republican Party to re-examine multiple inconsistencies in the Nevada Caucus process, and to consider postponing the caucus, which is scheduled for Saturday, January 19.

“The inconsistencies, errors and multiple changes in the rules reek of playing politics with the what should be a neutral process,” said Ron Paul 2008 campaign manager Lew Moore. “The people of Nevada deserve to know exactly what the rules are and to know that those rules are being fairly enforced. This has not happened up to this point, and the caucus appears to be in chaos.”

The problem of multiple rule changes is being compounded by other inconsistencies and errors in the process. Many Nevada Republicans have received postcards with incorrect information about their caucus location, and the Nevada GOP website had incorrect caucus locations listed as late as Wednesday, January 16.

Additionally, one or more county chairs have expressed concerns over an insufficient number of ballots, and the Ron Paul campaign has heard reports that rural counties are short of ballots, while Clark County precincts were given what is regarded as far too many ballots.

The Ron Paul campaign has learned that the Nevada Republican Party has changed the rules for eligibility requirements for caucusing three times since January 9. Last summer when the January 19 caucus was set, the Nevada GOP announced that caucus would be closed and only for Republicans who had registered by December 19.

On January 10, 2008, a caucus director for the Nevada Republican Party reversed the earlier policy and anounced a new standard by stating that any person who asserts that they are a registered Republican in the precinct but cannot be found in the voter rolls that the Republican party has, would be able to participate if they signed an affidavit attesting to the fact that they were a registered Republican. Then, on January 15 the Ron Paul campaign received communication from the state party that the affidavits would not be used.

However, on January 17 the policy was changed for a third time, as the state party announced that affidavits would be in use throughout the state, subject to the discretion of county central committees and chairs.

The Nevada Republican Party is changing the rules from week to week, and currently the rules will not even be uniform across the state, as eligibility rules may differ from county to county.

Given the caucus location confusion – with potential caucus participants not knowing where to go – and the new rule effectively allowing anyone to get a ballot, the Ron Paul campaign is concerned that the confusion surrounding the caucus will both disenfranchise voters and make the election particularly susceptible to vote fraud.

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[BeFranklin]

Demographics

Religion

The religious affiliations of the people of Nevada are:[citation needed]

* Christian – 78%
o Protestant – 34%
+ Baptist – 15%
+ Methodist – 6%
+ Lutheran – 3%
+ Other Protestant – 11%
o Roman Catholic – 44%
o Latter-day Saint – 12%
o Other Christian – 1%
* Jewish – 1%
* Other Religions – 1%
* Non-Religious – 20%

 

[BeFranklin]

I think the above demographics pretty clearly shows that even at 95% of the Republican mormon vote, Romney wouldn't do that well from that.

The rules were changed at the last minute. People lied to vote.

 

[ItsTime]

I call BS on this post. As a former Mormon I know there are great pressures to think, act and do as other mormons do. To support fellow mormons first. Mormonism is very elitist. Mormons first others second.

I commend you. You were able to break from the mental chains that Mormonism puts on you. Most others can not.

I'm mormon - and Romney has no influence over Mormon's on who they vote for. The church itself will not take a position on a candidate - and tells the members to study out each candidate's positions carefully and vote for who you think is best.

Mormon's consider the Constitution to be a "divinely inspired" document. Hence why there are groups of "Mormons for Ron Paul" out there.

I converted from the Romney campaign to Ron Paul based on principle of what Ron Paul stands for.

 

[hrdman2luv]

I'm mormon - and Romney has no influence over Mormon's on who they vote for. The church itself will not take a position on a candidate - and tells the members to study out each candidate's positions carefully and vote for who you think is best.

Mormon's consider the Constitution to be a "divinely inspired" document. Hence why there are groups of "Mormons for Ron Paul" out there.

I converted from the Romney campaign to Ron Paul based on principle of what Ron Paul stands for.

Apparently your church goers looked at Romney and voted for him. According to the MSM (I know I Know) the Mormons voted for Romney.

Not that is all that made him win. He won because all people voted for him over Ron Paul. Just like in all the other primaries and caucus's.

Not Ron Paul's fault. He just didn't win.

 

[CareerTech1]

I call BS on this post. As a former Mormon I know there are great pressures to think, act and do as other mormons do. To support fellow mormons first. Mormonism is very elitist. Mormons first others second.

I commend you. You were able to break from the mental chains that Mormonism puts on you. Most others can not.

first you call BS on my post, then you commend me?

Members of the church that live the teachings of the gospel do not teach "To support fellow mormons first." or "Mormons first others second." That is not true. If your personal experience was that then you were dealing with someone that was not living the gospel.

I fall short of perfection everyday yet I do strive to view all people as my brothers and sisters - to see how I can help others. I think this is a common thread with all people of all faiths.

Hopefully we can respect our Constitution and the Amendments therein that protect our freedoms - including the freedom of religion - and refrain from personal attacks based on ignorance or bigotry from one religion to another.

 

[BeFranklin]

Apparently your church goers looked at Romney and voted for him. According to the MSM (I know I Know) the Mormons voted for Romney.

Not that is all that made him win. He won because all people voted for him over Ron Paul. Just like in all the other primaries and caucus's.

Not Ron Paul's fault. He just didn't win.

There is nothing wrong with a republican mormon voting for a republican mormon. Romney gets a lot of votes from non-mormon Republicans too, that is not what the problem is.

The problem is that the rules were changed at the last minute to allow vote fraud to occur, and these totals can't be explained by simply saying republican mormons voted for Romey. Look at the demographics. That doesn't change anything. Actual mormons for the whole state of Nevada is only 12%, counting both democrats and republicans. This is a closed state. Only Republicans are suppose to be voting in republican primaries.

 

[Dave Wood]

bump...rom is throwing everything at the fan, no question about it

 

[JMO]

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Also, consider that Republicans suspiciously had a significantly larger number of votes than democrats, in a state that is spilt 40% each way.


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This information is inaccurate. The democrats caucus. which means we only see delegates while republicans voted so we seen the total votes for republicans but delegates for democrats. That is why you think more republicans came out to vote