Romney, Ryan, Paul, Christie having a pow wow

[NationalAnarchist]

His father wasn't out of the race yet he was still campaigning and still trying to get delegates...He threw his father under the bus simply to advance his political career and for nothing else...He is absolutely NOTHING like his father because his father stood by his principles his entire career and never did that nor would he have done it.

 

[Brett85]

And you think that Ron was somehow going to get enough delegates to win the GOP nomination? Even Ron himself conceded he wasn't going to be the GOP nominee. You need to step out of dream land.

 

[Brett85]

And yes, he wanted to advance his political career, because advancing his political career was the best way to advance the cause of liberty. If he had refused to endorse Romney, his chances of winning the GOP nomination would've been the same as his father's. 0%.

 

[NationalAnarchist]

And you think that Ron was somehow going to get enough delegates to win the GOP nomination? Even Ron himself conceded he wasn't going to be the GOP nominee. You need to step out of dream land.

They would have had enough to at least nominate him from the floor at the convention. Fact remains he wanted his political career more than he wanted to honor his father and do the right thing.

And yes, he wanted to advance his political career, because advancing his political career was the best way to advance the cause of liberty. If he had refused to endorse Romney, his chances of winning the GOP nomination would've been the same as his father's. 0%.

Ron advanced his career without crumbling to pressure and throwing his beliefs away...Rand is no libertarian and he is barely a liberty leaning person...more like a evangelical zealot conservative...nothing we haven't seen in the past. I had high hopes for Rand when he was elected but he just continues to drift farther into the neo con realm the closer to 2016 we get.

 

[NationalAnarchist]

You and all Rand supporters are 1 of 2 things. Either you are taking what you can get in the fact you THINK Rand might be better than Obama and Bush or you just don't care and will be a die hard Rand fan forever...I am neither...Ron was pure and that's where it must stay....no reason or point in throwing beliefs to the wayside just to get elected on either lying to the people electing you or lying to the people who helped you get elected Senator because we thought he was just like his father.

 

[Brett85]

Actually, I've been critical of Rand for a lot of things, particularly his votes for Iran sanctions and some of the Iran resolutions. I don't think his foreign policy views are where they should be. But, he's still the best option that we're going to have in 2016 by far. I can't really help you if you can't see a huge difference between Rand and someone like Rubio on the issues.

 

[eleganz]

You and all Rand supporters are 1 of 2 things. Either you are taking what you can get in the fact you THINK Rand might be better than Obama and Bush or you just don't care and will be a die hard Rand fan forever...I am neither...Ron was pure and that's where it must stay....no reason or point in throwing beliefs to the wayside just to get elected on either lying to the people electing you or lying to the people who helped you get elected Senator because we thought he was just like his father.

You act like you are the last standing Ron Paul supporter in this world...but you're not...

There is almost ZERO point in arguing this shit to a group of fellow Ron Paul supporters...YES most of us here are still Ron Paul supporters...! But you're living in the past now. People were talking about this A YEAR AGO. Seriously, what good does it do to argue about this crap? Rand is popular now, he has fans, he is going to run for President and he has most of the liberty movement behind him. You only look like a child hitting the walls by acting like this.

 

[anaconda]

Back on track with the OP, I found this little synopsis of the Utah retreat. Rand went golfing instead of skeet shooting. I wish there were more details. I want recordings of all conversations between all guests. Everyone please post any gory details and any good gossip you find relating the Utah event.

http://www.wdbj7.com/news/nationwor...ence-2016-candidates-20130607,0,6187606.story

 

[american.swan]

Dr. Rand and Dr. Ron Paul know exactly what they're doing. They know the insiders game. Dr. Ron Paul is 100% behind his son. Why aren't you? Ron will be donating heavily to his son's campaign don't ya think? Why won't you?

Dr. Ron Paul supports Austrian Economics. I support Austrian Economics. Dr Rand Paul supports Austrian Economics too. I'm not voting for some lame libertarian party candidate over Austrian Economics supporter RAND PAUL.

If you want to fix this country we need sound economic principles. RAND PAUL 2016.

 

[umichmed]

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[Debbie Downer]

Nice to see Rand's invited. This would never have happened if Rand hadn't endorsed Mitt in 2012 and I'm glad Rand's being rewarded.

But...but...he stabbed his dad in the back. Never mind that his dad had conceded the race and that he even said in the endorsement that Ron was still his first choice. Rand is a traitor!!

 

[compromise]

Cavuto: You are backing the ticket, but you're not wholeheartedly enthusiastic about it, is that about right?
Ron: Well, that's about right, I haven't endorsed the ticket.
Cavuto: You're not quite on board with this ticket then, does that mean you could leave this convention not supporting it?
Ron: No, I'm not intending to endorse anybody.
Cavuto: Is there any horse in this race you like?
Ron: You mean in the total race?
Cavuto: Barack Obama, Mitt Romney.
Ron: At this point I have no plans to endorse anybody.
Cavuto: But you're going to vote?
Ron: I will probably vote, I've done that in the past.
Cavuto: And would you err more on the side of Mitt Romney...or not?
Ron: On certain issues.
Cavuto: Is there a possibility you could vote for Barack Obama?
Ron: Not too likely.
Cavuto: Is there a possibility you could vote for the Libertarian candidate, Gary Johnson?
Ron: Well, there's always possibilities of everything, but I haven't made up my mind, put me down as undecided. Let me just tell you what happened in '76, Ford was president and I was a big Reagan supporter, but back then, I wasn't...nobody could really care, but I never endorsed the ticket and it was a non-event, I just didn't endorse it because Reagan was my guy.

To this day, we have no idea who Ron voted for. You can interpret this passage how you want, but Ron seemed clearly open to voting for Romney.

 

[eleganz]

Its obvious after failing twice, Romney desperately wants to be on the winning team. He'll do whatever he has to get into that white house one way or another.

Getting big money and support to the nominee gets him the 'early-investors' advantage to some nice benefits. He's played the game twice as the puppet, now he wants to pull the strings.

 

[newbitech]

a one-liner about something that's been disproved b.s. 1000 times over with corpses from your side piling up from lost debates, awesome.

ONE THOUSAND TIMES OVER! WHOLLY CRAPAMOLY!

 

[newbitech]

Believe what you want. I won't be the one voting for a fraud and hack like him. I would vote for his father 1000 times over and Rand would never get my vote..once you lose it you can't get it back.

ONE THOUSAND TIMES OVER! WHOLLY JUMPING JEHOSHAPHAT!

 

[newbitech]

You and all Rand supporters are 1 of 2 things. Either you are taking what you can get in the fact you THINK Rand might be better than Obama and Bush or you just don't care and will be a die hard Rand fan forever...I am neither...Ron was pure and that's where it must stay....no reason or point in throwing beliefs to the wayside just to get elected on either lying to the people electing you or lying to the people who helped you get elected Senator because we thought he was just like his father.

"We do have some differences and our approaches will be different, but that makes him his own person. I mean why should he [Rand] be a clone and do everything and think just exactly as I have. I think it's an opportunity to be independent minded. We are about 99% [the same on issues]." Ron Paul
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So, Ron Paul lying too?

 

[dannno]

I hope Rand stays away from the skeet shooting range.

 

[T.hill]

You and all Rand supporters are 1 of 2 things. Either you are taking what you can get in the fact you THINK Rand might be better than Obama and Bush or you just don't care and will be a die hard Rand fan forever...I am neither...Ron was pure and that's where it must stay....no reason or point in throwing beliefs to the wayside just to get elected on either lying to the people electing you or lying to the people who helped you get elected Senator because we thought he was just like his father.

Rand actually stood on principle and kept his promise of endorsing the Republican nominee during his KY senate bid. He discussed it in advance with Ron.

Something you also probably are unaware of is he was still critical of Romney, even after he endorsed him. I support Rand, but I don't support him because of some delusional loyalty to his last name, but because in the words of Ron himself is 99% the same on issues as his father.

 

[supermario21]

Rand was the only Republican besides Ron really criticizing Romney during the general election season. He wrote a scathing op-ed about Romney's MAJOR foreign policy speech at VMI. The gains were that Rand won't be as much of an outcast as Ron was and he got to log more campaign miles after his dad was done in June. Watch one of Rand's solo "Romney" events in NH, most of the people talking to him after that the mic picked up were Ron supporters talking about how they hoped Rand would run in 4 years.

And if you remember, at the convention, Rand gave a speech talking about how we needed to cut defense spending. Gets loud cheers. McCain up a speaker or 2 later and talks about how much we need to support the military and expand the defense budget and he gets crickets...

 

[T.hill]

I could care less about a trivial endorsement to the eventual Republican nominee(which he had planned to do since his senate bid in 2010.) Did it effect how he votes, what he stands for?