Roman Catholic bishop stabbed to death in Turkey. Christianity in Turkey?

BlackTerrel

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Given all the anger in Turkey this is pretty interesting timing. It is claimed it is not politically motivated but historical treatment of Christians in Turkey is not very good.

How are Christians treated in Turkey overall?

http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=35084

http://www.christianpost.com/articl...ad-turkey-treats-christians-poorly/index.html

The head of the Eastern Orthodox Church said Christians are treated like second-class citizens in Turkey, the land where the equivalent of the Orthodox Church’s “Vatican” lies.

His All Holiness Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew, the spiritual leader of 300 million Orthodox Christians in the world, said in a CBS “60 Minutes” interview broadcast this week that Turkey’s leaders, including the prime minister, have been unresponsive to concrete concerns he raised about religious inequality in the country.

Authorities have seized church properties, closed Orthodox churches, monasteries and schools, causing Orthodox leaders and parishioners to fear that the Turkish government wants to force the oldest church in the world out of the country.

CBS correspondent Bob Simon noted that all that is left of the command center of Constantinople, now known as Istanbul and that once ruled the former Christian empire, is a complex of nine buildings “tightly squeezed” on less than an acre of land.

“We are treated as citizens of second class,” lamented the patriarch, who noted that the Orthodox Church took root on the land long before the country of Turkey was established and became a nation where the population is 99 percent Muslim. “We don’t feel like we enjoy our full rights as Turkey citizens.”

In particular, the patriarch cited the forced closure of the country’s only local Orthodox Patriarchal Seminary, called Halki, without proper reason. Since Turkey only allows Turkey-born citizens to become the patriarch, shutting down of the seminary essentially cuts off the ability of the Orthodox Church to produce future generations of leaders.

“It is a pity. It is a shame and a crime to keep such a school closed and unused for no reason,” said the patriarch, who is an alumni of Halki. “This school prepared people who preach peace, who preach unity, who preach love. So not giving to the church the possibility to prepare these people (priests), we offend human dignity.”

Bartholomew dismissed the idea of relocating the Ecumenical Patriarchate. He emphasized that the Orthodox Church was established in Constantinople and has continued to exist in the same location for centuries.

“We love our country. We are born here,” said Bartholomew, explaining why the Church’s headquarters cannot be moved. “We want to die here. We feel that our mission is here, as it has been for 17 entire centuries.”

He added in a sad tone of voice while looking at the ground, “I wonder why the authorities of our country do not respect this history.”

In addition to the Ecumenical Patriarchate, Turkey is home to some of the oldest Christian sites in the world, including the Cathedral of Hagia Sophia, built by the Byzantine Emperor Justinian in 537 A.D., as well as many of the most famous monuments and churches in Christendom, including those of Cappadocia.

The Patriarch, who was not hostile towards the Turkish government in the interview, concluded by saying, “We prefer to stay here, even crucified sometimes, because in the Gospel it is written that it is given to us not only to believe in Christ but also to suffer for Christ."

Noting that he has never believed that the Orthodox Church could eventually die out in Turkey, he said, “We believe in the resurrection. After the crucifixion the resurrection comes."

There were nearly 2 million Orthodox Christians in what is now Turkey at the turn of the 19th century. In 1923, Turkey expelled 1.5 million Christians, and in 1955 about 150,000 Christians fled the country after violent anti-Christian violence. Today, there are only 4,000 Orthodox Christians left.

Take their land. Expel them. Kill them. Numbers go from 2,000,000 to 4,000. That's real ethnic cleansing. Meanwhile number of Palestinians and Muslims in holy land has gone up the last 50 years - that's not ethnic cleansing.

No terrorism. No world wide condemnation. From 2 million to 4 thousand.

Other instances of intolerance punctuated the life of Christians in Turkey during the past 12 months. On Oct. 16 Compass Direct News reported on the trial of two Christians, accused of having insulted Islam.

Apparently insulting Islam is against the law in Turkey.

The survey also found that almost 40% of the population of Turkey said they had "very negative" or "negative" views of Christians.

But insulting Christianity is ok.
 
There were nearly 2 million Orthodox Christians in what is now Turkey at the turn of the 19th century. In 1923, Turkey expelled 1.5 million Christians, and in 1955 about 150,000 Christians fled the country after violent anti-Christian violence. Today, there are only 4,000 Orthodox Christians left.

Were you referring to the Armenian genocide? It's a very sensitive topic in Turkey, even though it happened some 100 years ago. Historians place the total killed between 1-1.5 million.

The break up of the Ottoman empire and the conversion of Turkey from an empire to a nationalistic state meant trampling over all minorities (others persecuted include Greeks, Kurds and Arabs).

Sorry to blow your bubble but it was motivated by race, not religion. Turkey's new administration was nationalistic and secular, and followed a policy of "forced secularization" of the population (here).

I have a lot of Armenian friends - after expulsion from Turkey a lot of them settled in Syria, Lebanon, and Egypt. I know you don't like hearing it, but they've been both welcome and well-integrated. (Egypt's first Prime Minister was of Armenian descent; Lebanon's president Emile Lahoud is half-Armenian; and Armenia's first president after independence was born and raised in Syria.)

More on the Armenian genocide here. The first genocide of the 20th century. Turkey gets pissed whenever someone mentions it, and tries to hide it as much as possible, so we have a moral responsibility to spread the word.
 
No I am not talking about something that happened 100 years ago. And I do not think it is racial. I am talking about systemic violence and abuse that led to a population of Orthodox Christians shrinking from 2,000,000 to 4,000. Seizing of Church land, treating Christians like second class citizens and putting Christians on trial for "insulting Islam".

These events do not lead to terrorism or world condemnation.

What would happen if Israel put a Muslim on trial for "insulting Judaism"?
 
No I am not talking about something that happened 100 years ago. And I do not think it is racial. I am talking about systemic violence and abuse that led to a population of Orthodox Christians shrinking from 2,000,000 to 4,000. Seizing of Church land, treating Christians like second class citizens and putting Christians on trial for "insulting Islam".

These events do not lead to terrorism or world condemnation.

What would happen if Israel put a Muslim on trial for "insulting Judaism"?

Good point!
 
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