RNC BOMBSHELL: TRUMP CAN WIN IT ALL WITH 1,100

[hells_unicorn]

Endorsing Mitch McConnell was a tactical mistake that angered a lot of the teocons that Rand worked so hard to court when he ran for senate. And Cruz "burning his bridges" in the senate by calling Mitch McConnell a liar is why Cruz is poised as the "anti Trump" that Rand should have been. Instead Rand "burned bridges" with teocons by saying Cruz was wrong for calling McConnell a liar when everybody knows McConnell actually lied.

That said, 1100 is not "a couple of votes" shy of 1237. And the GOP is toast this election cycle (and maybe for the foreseeable future) either way they go. Cruz people have already started saying they won't vote for Trump and Trump people have already started saying they won't vote for Cruz and both groups would reject any conceivable "dark horse" candidate that gets brought forward.

Not really, if the GOP leadership caves and allows Trump to buy off Kasich's and Rubio's delegates (a lot of these people would sell their souls for a helicopter ride if given permission to do so), Hillary will essentially commit proverbial suicide on the campaign trail, not to mention Bernie's unwashed hippie kooks will likely stay home or maybe even vote for Trump (some of them have told me they'd do this to my face).

I know Cruz appeals to (mod edit), but he's toast, I'd wager he will likely struggle to keep his senate seat given how much he's embarrassed himself, whereas Rand still has a political future even if he never gets to the presidency. The "teocons" as you call them are little different from a fair number of fanatics populating this forum of late, and while I still don't consider Rand's attacks on Trump to have been a mistake, I think he's playing it smart by endorsing whoever the nominee will be. Cruz's campaign is surviving solely on the culturally enmity that exists between the Northeast and the Mid-West, hence why he lost all of the Southeast miserably despite there being just as many "evangelical" types running around. If Cruz wasn't a whore for Goldman Sachs, he would never have gotten as far as he has.

The so-called liberty movement paved the way for Donald Trump with its lack of discipline, now it will share equally with Trump's supporters in responsibility for what occurs during said presidency. Some of what he does may not be so bad, and comparatively speaking it can not possibly be any worse than a Sanders presidency, but it could have been a lot better.

My "whining" was directed at Rand, for endorsing Romney over his own father.

Yeah, this is how it works, and it's a sick joke, and I find myself better off deciding not to give a $#@! about the idiot clown show anymore.

More power to you, unreasonable people shouldn't be involved in politics, that's how we ended up with Trump in the first place. Personally, I don't really have a dog in this race at this point, though I am still concerned about how things turn out as I kinda live here. Trump strikes me as the least terrible of what is left, but I don't make a practice of voting for terrible, be it greater or lesser.

 

[hells_unicorn]

Rand has the best record of any Senator in over 100 years. And yet you prefer a lifelong corrupt liberal?

This is largely the handiwork of media brainwashing. The sad truth is that many on here are equally as susceptible to it as the average moron glued to the MSM during prime time. The only difference is that while the MSM tells everyone else to jump and they jump, they tell the so-called anti-establishment "don't jump" so that they'll end up jumping along with the rest. "Rand is bad because Romeny/McConnell/some other BS", fanaticism can make people do stupid things, which is why I try to avoid it wherever possible.

Make no mistake, Trump is bad news and he profited from media misinformation at the expense of Rand and several others, but I don't think the MSM intended for Trump to actually win this thing and he may not be doing this at any particular person's behest.

 

[pmbug]

Thread topic is about Trump and delegates. Let's stay on topic.

BTW, I'm not so sure that Trump will find 100+ supporters out of the pool of unbound delegates. What I've seen reported from Guam, the USVI, North Dakota and other places that are electing unbound delegates is strongly favoring Cruz support.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I was talking about knowing when to fold part. At the time Rand endorsed Romney, the election was lost. Holding onto what is lost never helped anyone. It was time to move on and try a new strategy and it is sad that some did not recognize that reality

Oh, I know what you were talking about.

I think you're wrong.

 

[Anti Federalist]

More power to you, unreasonable people shouldn't be involved in politics.

When the truth is a lie and fact is fiction, the unreasonable man is the only sane one left.

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

Ron Paul set the winds in the right direction for Trump.

The type of people who vote for Trump are the type of people who booed Ron Paul.

 

[CPUd]

The type of people who vote for Trump are the type of people who booed Ron Paul.

Yes, and then vote for incumbent hacks down ballot in the primaries. They are nominating for their party the same people Trump claims to be against, so when they "wreck the GOP", those are the ones who will be there to rebuild it.

 

[CaptUSA]

The type of people who vote for Trump are the type of people who booed Ron Paul.

Absolutely.

 

[CPUd]

Rand endorsing Romney griping goes here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-the-Romney-endorsement-4-years-later-(split)

until then,

May 14 2012:

LAKE JACKSON, Texas – 2012 Republican Presidential candidate Ron Paul issued the following statement to supporters and the general public concerning the continuation of his historic bid for the GOP nomination.

The statement tees up forthcoming information the campaign will release concerning its fruitful delegate-attainment strategy still occurring at delegate-selection events such as state conventions ahead of the Republican National Convention in Tampa.

Below please find comments from Congressman Paul:

“As I reflect on our 2012 Presidential campaign, I am humbled by the supporters who have worked so hard and sacrificed so much. And I am so proud of what we have accomplished. We will not stop until we have restored what once made America the greatest country in human history.

“This campaign fought hard and won electoral success that the talking heads and pundits never thought possible. But, this campaign is also about more than just the 2012 election. It has been part of a quest I began 40 years ago and that so many have joined. It is about the campaign for Liberty, which has taken a tremendous leap forward in this election and will continue to grow stronger in the future until we finally win.

“Our campaign will continue to work in the state convention process. We will continue to take leadership positions, win delegates, and carry a strong message to the Republican National Convention that Liberty is the way of the future.

“Moving forward, however, we will no longer spend resources campaigning in primaries in states that have not yet voted. Doing so with any hope of success would take many tens of millions of dollars we simply do not have. I encourage all supporters of Liberty to make sure you get to the polls and make your voices heard, particularly in the local, state, and Congressional elections, where so many defenders of Freedom are fighting and need your support.

“I hope all supporters of Liberty will remain deeply involved – become delegates, win office, and take leadership positions. I will be right there with you. In the coming days, my campaign leadership will lay out to you our delegate strategy and what you can do to help, so please stay tuned.

For Liberty,

Ron Paul.”

June 7, 2012:


June 12, 2012:

 

[CaptainAmerica]

the RNC committee is going to shut him down.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Rand endorsing Romney griping goes here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-the-Romney-endorsement-4-years-later-(split)

Yah well, I didn't bring it up.

All the rest is blarg blarg "pragmatism" blarg "team player" blarg "good of the party" blarg blarg endless fucking blarg.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Absolutely.

Thirded.

 

[jmdrake]

Not really, if the GOP leadership caves and allows Trump to buy off Kasich's and Rubio's delegates (a lot of these people would sell their souls for a helicopter ride if given permission to do so), Hillary will essentially commit proverbial suicide on the campaign trail, not to mention Bernie's unwashed hippie kooks will likely stay home or maybe even vote for Trump (some of them have told me they'd do this to my face).

Supposedly there's all this Republican money being spent to "steal" the election from Trump. If that's the case then those anti Trump billions can offset Trump's billions. I would say that's a wash. Pretty naive analysis on your part.

I know Cruz appeals to you more because his goofy Baptist background tends to comport a bit more with your outlook on things,

Your forum violation here has been reported. That said, I'm surprised that you are aligning yourself with Trump on religion. Not only is Trump someone who openly mocks God, but the denomination that he belongs to is Episcopalian. You believe gays should be executed. Episcopalians believe that gays should be allowed to be ordained ministers. Here, see for yourself.

http://episcopaldiocesefortworth.org/what-do-episcopalians-believe/
Open, Affirming, and Welcoming

Not only does The Episcopal Church accept and welcome a wide range of theological ideas and thoughts, we also accept and welcome all people. We do not discriminate against anyone or any group for any reason.

It saddens us that throughout our history, the Christian church has discriminated against particular groups for such a long time that we must explicitly state what should be obvious and self-evident: In our church, women are of equal worth and dignity as men, and have full access to all orders of ministry, including the ordained priesthood and the office of bishop. Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgendered persons are likewise full and equal members of our church, and likewise have full access to all orders of ministry, including the ordained priesthood and the office of bishop.

While I don't hate gays and wish them no ill like you do, I don't think homosexuality is in line with God's plan for humanity. So I guess that does put me closer to the Baptists than the Episcopalians. But where does that put you?

As for why at this point I take Cruz over Trump, it's simple.

1) Trump lied about being against the Iraq war.

2) Trump lied about being against the Libya war.

3) Cruz has consistently been against the war in Libya and Syria.

War and peace is my # 1 issue. I can't trust Trump on that at all. I can at least trust Cruz a little bit. He was against the war in Libya the whole time.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

I assume that means that Trump would win it on the 2nd round with 1,100 going in.

I would not approve a rule change just to help or hurt a candidate.