RLC straw poll results?

[swissaustrian]

"Expect the same thing in iowa..."

But the Iowa Straw Open is open only to Iowans. It's not something you can just flock to from all over the country and vote. It is a test of strength of one's Iowa organization. And if we do well, then they just can't write-us off.

Winning it would bring a lot people to the campaign, the one's who don't think we can win.

The story will probably be:
Ron Paul organized xx buses.
All the other candidates did nothing. - Of course, the opposite will be true
Conclusion: Don´t pay attention to the results, we - the media - know what´s good for you.

 

[Badger Paul]

"If we're going to rely on the "old guard" GOP to win this, we're sunk before we even start."

Agreed. The best we can hope for is aquiesence, be everyone's second or third choice. I don't want undying opposition but we shouldn't back down either if we believe we are right.

 

[speciallyblend]

i need a napkin? napkin please http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMC3ffwoMVE

 

[Anti Federalist]

^^ come on!!

Come on what?

You really think you're going to get die hard neocons, war hawks or Israel Firsters to vote for Ron just because we're pleasant?

 

[Anti Federalist]

"If we're going to rely on the "old guard" GOP to win this, we're sunk before we even start."

Agreed. The best we can hope for is aquiesence, be everyone's second or third choice. I don't undying opposition but we shouldn't back down either if we believe we are right.

Exactly, listen, the "old guard" will get on board just like they did with Rand, because to them, it's nothing but ball game, "my side's gotta win!"

 

[Debbie Hopper]

We did not bus anyone in. No one.

The GOP of Jackson County MS brought a busload. Some were RP supporters, some were not.

 

[sailingaway]

We did not bus anyone in. No one.

The GOP of Jackson County MS brought a busload. Some were RP supporters, some were not.

We didn't think you did. And said so higher up in the comment sections than this would have allowed us to respond.

Did you see CNN on Huntsman? He apparently thought winning would be a nice buzz for his announcement next week, if you read between the lines. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/18/huntsman-surprises-in-big-gop-straw-poll/

 

[sailingaway]

"If we're going to rely on the "old guard" GOP to win this, we're sunk before we even start."

Agreed. The best we can hope for is aquiesence, be everyone's second or third choice. I don't want undying opposition but we shouldn't back down either if we believe we are right.

We are talking about not booing people. That is basic politeness, not political principle.

 

[sailingaway]

Look at CBS's addition! I had commented that I was certain Huntsman must have organized too, given he had no ties to New Orleans and was polling in the basement, and maybe a bunch of others commented the same. Look at this:

It has been rumored here that Huntsman's campaign bought tickets for and bussed in a number of college Republicans to up his vote. In response to an inquiry from CBS News, Huntsman's camp did not deny spending money to increase Huntsman's vote total.

Huntsman's cancellation was seen as a missed opportunity to make his case to conservative activists, who were thought to view him warily because of his centrist positions on immigration, cap-and-trade legislation and gay rights - as well as his willingness to serve in the Obama administration. But his strong finish in the straw poll will serve as a signal -- legitimate or not -- that conservative activists may be more open to Huntsman than some expected.



Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20072266-503544.html#ixzz1PfSeMUDE

 

[Badger Paul]

"We are talking about not booing people. That is basic politeness, not political principle. "

Oh, but we can be booed if we win a straw poll, is that it?

This isn't bean bag and it is not courtesy class. This is freaking politics! People get booed. It happens. And guess what? It's also a contact sport too, or so I've been told. So long as we weren't disruptive of the speakers or violent, it's not a freakin' crime.

You don't see me complaining if our opponents boo us? I frankly don't care. It's a free country and they can do what they want. So why are we under some sort of double standard of politeness? If some candidate spoke in favor of abortion right you don't think he would be booed? Of course.

 

[sailingaway]

"We are talking about not booing people. That is basic politeness, not political principle. "

Oh, but we can be booed if we win a straw poll, is that it?

This isn't bean bag and it is not courtesy class. This is freaking politics! People get booed. It happens. And guess what? It's also a contact sport too, or so I've been told. So long as we weren't disruptive of the speakers or violent, it's not a freakin' crime.

You don't see me complaining if our opponents boo us? I frankly don't care. It's a free country and they can do what they want. So why are we under some sort of double standard of politeness? If some candidate spoke in favor of abortion right you don't think he would be booed? Of course.

AFTER we booed them. Has anyone booed us, ever, when we've been polite to all speakers? Name once.

Ron is trying to reach NEW voters who might be open to him, but people don't want to be associated with supporters who boo other speakers.

 

[specsaregood]

AFTER we booed them. Has anyone booed us, ever, when we've been polite to all speakers? Name once.
Ron is trying to reach NEW voters who might be open to him, but people don't want to be associated with supporters who boo other speakers.

Dr. Paul and his supporters have been belittled, booed and insulted for years. There is nothing you can do to stop the retaliation at this point, so you might as well stop trying and embrace it. Hell, make it more fun, encourage the roudiness and perhaps we'll bring in more supporters.

 

[KramerDSP]

I was born and raised in Philly, where the third word every kid learns after "mom" and "dad" is "boo!". With that said, I think when we booed Herman Cain's israel comments, that's when the "crowd" turned on us and decided to boo Ron when he won the straw poll. We're probably better off just not applauding when the rest of the room cheers thunderously at similar comments we don't entirely agree with as opposed to vocally booing. But then again, if one RP supporter booed, the entire faction is considered rude and hostile, so we can't really win at those things.

I agree that had Ron lost, the media story would have been "See! Ron Paul can't even win these straw polls!". But they act like we've been winning for years and years. when it's only been two consecutive years. It must feel like dog years to them, I guess, with the Ron Paul Revolution gaining traction day by day.

Ron Paul wins Iowa Straw Poll - MSM: "Oh my god, Herman Cain finished second!!! This is the real story!"
Ron Paul wins the Iowa Caucuses - MSM: "Oh my god! Michelle Bachman finished 5% short of second place! She has momentum!"
Ron Paul wins New Hampshire- MSM: "Mitt Romney's campaign is over. This is the perfect time for Rick Perry to sweep in!"
Ron Paul finishes 2nd in SC - MSM: "Ron Paul is TOAST! No one has not won SC and went on to win the nomination!"

It's infuriating, but we need to be prepared for this. Is there any way we could do an ad campaign with an empahsis placed on "Look for this story to happen from the MSM if this happens". Then when it does happen, people go "wait a minute... maybe those Ron Paul folks are onto something....".

 

[Badger Paul]

"That is basic politeness, not political principle. "

Tell me, were those Tea Party activists at all those town hall meetings back in 2009 and 10 worried about politeness?

What about Congressman Joe Wilson? I didn't seem to me too polite to say "You Lie!" during a presidential speech? Yet he got re-elected anyway.

Why then do Ron Paul supporters have to be held to a different standard about politeness?

 

[Pheonix]

"That is basic politeness, not political principle. "

Tell me, were those Tea Party activists at all those town hall meetings back in 2009 and 10 worried about politeness?

What about Congressman Joe Wilson? I didn't seem to me too polite to say "You Lie!" during a presidential speech? Yet he got re-elected anyway.

Why then do Ron Paul supporters have to be held to a different standard about politeness?

Because we're trying to win an election. It's important we force ourselves to be polite for another year so people look at us in better light. Also, with the only attention we tend to be getting being negative, it'd be nice if people associated us with something more positive. After the elections we can boo and yell all we want, but not now; killing Dr. Paul's chances because we can't control our emotions is selfish.

 

[BUSHLIED]

At least CSPAN gives us front page on the SRLC win! http://www.cspan.org/

 

[rockandrollsouls]

According to poll numbers, that's about 93% of the party. You might not want to admit it, but you're going to have to win over a large portion of them to take the primary.

Come on what?

You really think you're going to get die hard neocons, war hawks or Israel Firsters to vote for Ron just because we're pleasant?

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

God I wish there was a function on RPF where if X-number of people clicked a link it would ban a user for 2 hours. It's really really needed.

I'd like to see a SlashDot.org karma system myself.

 

[Exponent]

We did not bus anyone in. No one.

The GOP of Jackson County MS brought a busload. Some were RP supporters, some were not.

It might be useful to let RealClearPolitics know that. They have an article that rather blatantly claims otherwise:

But bragging rights on this day also belonged to Paul, a result foreshadowed Friday while Cain was speaking. Cain vowed that if he were president, anyone who "messed with Israel" would also be screwing with the United States. Many of the crowd roared, and rose to their feet. From the wings of the hall, however, the reaction of Ron Paul's non-interventionist crowd -- they had been bused in for the event -- was telling: They either remained silent or openly booed.

I'd tell them myself, but I have no authority, given I know only what I've read here.

Edit/Disclaimer: Please don't read any of r&rsouls' attitude below into my post as well; I'm only trying to be helpful.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Yes. It seems the campaign should be setting that straight with news sources printing an incorrect story....telling us all on the board you didn't bus anyone in doesn't do much to fix anything. We know that already.

Another rookie mistake, apparently. Sigh.

It might be useful to let RealClearPolitics know that. They have an article that rather blatantly claims otherwise:

I'd tell them myself, but I have no authority, given I know only what I've read here.