RLC straw poll results?

CNN just covered it, here's what the guy said they interviewed at the conference (paraphrased):

"Ron Paul won...he always does well at these straw polls. But the big news is Jon Huntsman, who came in second...blah blah Jon Huntsman, Michelle Bachmann..."

Not surprising.
 
RPSAA

"Ron Paul Supporters Are Annoying"

We should try to minimize the RPSAA factor, which we've known about for close to 4 years now.


Freedomluvinmamma30 said:
I swear the best enemies RP has is his own supporters. Being Positive is the key. Any victory is fine with me. Hell, it is a victory that the own establishment is discounting its own polls and calling its voters quacks. I know from my experience there is a lot more supporters out of the mainstream coming RP way. I am in this to win it with RP and that is the attitude all supporters should have. Having worked on other campaigns (Ugh Bush I would like forgiveness for that one) it was an up beat go hard or go home campaign and any negative was spun into a positive. SO cheer up no one said this was going to be easy.
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rockandrollsouls is correct in one aspect. These straw polls, etc. which can be readily manipulated by supporters need to translate into equivalent percentages of professionally conducted polls. Poll numbers are higher than 2008 and hopefully Ron will improve his performances in debates, etc.
 
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If we lost, they would say he's a fringe candidate with no support and build up Bachmann or whoever as grassroots monster candidate.

If we win, they complain that it annoys them or that his supporters bother them or whatever.

But we still won. Winning is winning.
 
parocks said:
RPSAA

"Ron Paul Supporters Are Annoying"

We should try to minimize the RPSAA factor, which we've known about for close to 4 years now.
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I was at the straw poll. I heard a lot of rude comments from non-RP supporters. Not one rude comment from RP people. People who hate freedom are annoyed, oh well, you can't please everyone.
 
If someone other than Ron Paul had won, It'd be a big story. Since it's Ron Paul, it's not. But no big story for anyone else. Victory.



Agorism said:
If we lost, they would say he's a fringe candidate with no support and build up Bachmann or whoever as grassroots monster candidate.

If we win, they complain that it annoys them or that his supporters bother them or whatever.

But we still won. Winning is winning.
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Agorism said:
If we lost, they would say he's a fringe candidate with no support and build up Bachmann or whoever as grassroots monster candidate.

If we win, they complain that it annoys them or that his supporters bother them or whatever.

But we still won. Winning is winning.
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i'm out of rep, but well said!!!
 
parocks said:
If someone other than Ron Paul had won, It'd be a big story. Since it's Ron Paul, it's not. But no big story for anyone else. Victory.
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They don't even need someone else to win to claim it's a big deal for another candidate. Read my last post.
 
You guys celebrate every straw poll we spam as a win. It hasn't done anything for us nationally since 2008 and we always piss off the core of the party in the process. Like them or not, we need to be on good terms with those that hijacked the GOP.

So let's see....we'll still be polling in single digits....the rude supporters that did attend turned off a huge potential base....Ron's speech itself was polarizing....and we managed to piss of the party again by sending a boat-load of our own guys to crash the scene.


A buzzkill? I'm calling it how I see it. And you all wonder why we're so disliked. We basically use mob-tactics at any event we attend and make a poor name for this campaign. I'm willing to bet we'd gain more support if things were handled differently.

reduen said:
Originally Posted by rockandrollsouls

"Why are you guys so excited about winning the straw poll? We won it in a room full of, mostly, our own supporters. It didn't win us any new voters or support...."

I am confused.... Which one is it...?
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Well it's true. We always smash the straw polls with no measurable affect in any relevant poll numbers, and Jon Huntsman coming in second is huge news as well. How is that spun?

king_nothing_ said:
CNN just covered it, here's what the guy said they interviewed at the conference (paraphrased):

"Ron Paul won...he always does well at these straw polls. But the big news is Jon Huntsman, who came in second...blah blah Jon Huntsman, Michelle Bachmann..."

Not surprising.
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Who cares what the trolls think.

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By winning all grass roots events we close the door on the fake grass roots candidates like bachmann, and we get a good win in for ourselves.
 
It's not huge news that Romney bought tickets before he said that he wasn't participating in any straw polls anymore.

Mormons stick together.

It's a bit of a surprise, but Huntsmans good showing plus Romneys poor showing clearly equals the Mormons who were already planning on going
switching to Huntsman, with the approval of the Romney campaign.

If you're informed, at all, you see those numbers, and you know exactly what happened, the second you see it.

Last year - Romney won this.

This year - Romney plus Huntsman lost to Ron Paul.

We beat the Liberal Mormons this year.

rockandrollsouls said:
Well it's true. We always smash the straw polls with no measurable affect in any relevant poll numbers, and Jon Huntsman coming in second is huge news as well. How is that spun?
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rockandrollsouls said:
You guys celebrate every straw poll we spam as a win. It hasn't done anything for us nationally since 2008 and we always piss off the core of the party in the process. Like them or not, we need to be on good terms with those that hijacked the GOP.

So let's see....we'll still be polling in single digits....the rude supporters that did attend turned off a huge potential base....Ron's speech itself was polarizing....and we managed to piss of the party again by sending a boat-load of our own guys to crash the scene.


A buzzkill? I'm calling it how I see it. And you all wonder why we're so disliked. We basically use mob-tactics at any event we attend and make a poor name for this campaign. I'm willing to bet we'd gain more support if things were handled differently.
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What Paul supporter wouldn't celebrate a win at a straw poll that garners news coverage for us? Btw, here's the definition of spam: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam. I can't disagree that supporters need to behave better and not rave around like nutballs though I know it can be tough when the others engage in similar tactics. That said, it's not the only reason we're so disliked. The media and the pundits demonization of Ron and his chances are partly to blame.
 
But it's not a big story for Huntsman. They have to twist the facts pretty hard to make it not Ron Paul. We get the headline, because they can't do anything about the facts.

If Huntsman won, it would've been a big story for Huntsman. But he didn't win, and it's not a big story for him.

Last year, the Mormons won, this year, we won.

king_nothing_ said:
They don't even need someone else to win to claim it's a big deal for another candidate. Read my last post.
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