RLC straw poll results?

[falconplayer11]

http://tinyurl.com/6gh2vd9

Everyone facebook like/retweet this article...this is being played down by the media!!! Romney got HUGE props when he won last time.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Well I'm not. It's the norm at this point. Like it or not, the media is fairly accurate about what happens.

Paul supporters find out about some poll, they inform their energized supporter base, they send those supporters to the events or polls to win them. It's 100% true....but that's not what bugs me most. The way we handle it and actively isolate the rest of the party is what irks me. We're certainly not winning friends where we need to be. And, again, I feel Ron's speech could have been infinitely better. Would have been nice if he plugged his Reagan endorsement and the fact he has been working in and for the GOP for years. He needed to show the party what he's done for them and how he's been right.

That would have been a true win. These straw poll numbers haven't meant anything since the last campaign.

 

[provita]

I was there all three days. I didn't see many rude Ron Paul supporters. Hell, I saw quite a lot of supporters being polite, clapping to other speakers when they disagreed and being silent when they disagreed. Whenever our members booed, we told them to shut up and be respectful. However, when Paul spoke of legalizing hemp, we received a lot of boos, and quite a few non-Paul supporters looked at me as if I was a traitor or something.

 

[parocks]

The headline is the most important part. That's what people are going to be taking away.

But, yes, if they liked us, they'd say something nice. We know they don't like us. We know that a straw poll win is not as important for us as it would be for another candidate. It's still valuable for us to get the win.

If we could've gotten all the Ron Paul supporters to vote for, I dunno, Buddy Roemer, that would've been even more fun.

Of course they have to start it off like this:

"Paul, who brought busloads of supporters"

 

[sailingaway]

You guys celebrate every straw poll we spam as a win. It hasn't done anything for us nationally since 2008 and we always piss off the core of the party in the process. Like them or not, we need to be on good terms with those that hijacked the GOP.

So let's see....we'll still be polling in single digits....the rude supporters that did attend turned off a huge potential base....Ron's speech itself was polarizing....and we managed to piss of the party again by sending a boat-load of our own guys to crash the scene.


A buzzkill? I'm calling it how I see it. And you all wonder why we're so disliked. We basically use mob-tactics at any event we attend and make a poor name for this campaign. I'm willing to bet we'd gain more support if things were handled differently.

Oh, come on, they ALL used mob tactics in terms of trying to get their supporters to attend.. I COMPLETELY agree that booing is the worst possible thing to do, though because it makes it 'ok' when others boo our guy who probably never booed anyone in his life. It turns people against us. Without that, we wouldn't be seen as 'insurgents' but 'participants' and it is all the difference to winning new friends.

But there is no possible reason HUNTSMAN with his polling and lack of connection to New Orleans would have come in second if he hadn't organized. I KNOW Cain organizes, and Huntsman beat him. I think he planned this as a pre-launch buzz factor before announcing next week, and honestly believe his last minute cancelation due to being 'sick' was because he found out how many Ron Paul supporters were there so wanted to spin it as 'he wasn't there, so of course he didn't win', although obviously his supporters would have already come and registered before he canceled.

Practicality is one thing, but trying to only find the bad in a big achievement when a lot of people obviously went out of their way to make it happen isn't very nice, imho.

 

[Badger Paul]

""Paul, who brought busloads of supporters"

No, our supporters came of their own volition. It was Huntsman who bused in a bunch of CR flunkies.

Should we apologize because we have passionate and organized supporters? Hell no! Would you rather be Rick Santorum or Tim Pawlenty with no passionate support?

I didn't think so. Who would pay any attention to us if we were meek and mild?

Make no mistake as to what we are trying to do. We are an inter-party group trying to take over a major political party, which is our right to do. We are no different than the Goldwater movement, the Reagan movement, the Christian Coalition and others which have done the same within the history of Republican Party. Why can they do so and not us? We are encompassing a diverse coalition of persons and and persuasions united by RP's message. If we succeed, we will cause a fundamental realignment of U.S. politics, which frankly in my opinion desperately needs it. There will be a lot of people opposed to us because we threaten their interests within the party and in the nation as a whole. We have to be ready to take them on, beat them and present them fait accompli: You can back us or go kiss Obama's ass.

The purpose is not to destroy the GOP but to use it as vehicle for a larger cause which has it roots historically within the party as a whole. The bottom line is we're shaping a Republican Party for the 21st Century and for the nation and world as it exists, not as how others wish it to be either through nostalgia or ideology. This must be done or the party will turn into a bitter, cramped minority of old white people living in dying towns and suburbs even more dependent on government than they already are. That might be good enough to win mid-term election but not a general and it will only be a matter of time before it can't even win a special election.

The message we take to average GOP voter is quite simple. We can grow this party, we can renew it, and we can make it endure. We can win and beat back the socialists. We can save the country. It's that simple.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

I'd really like to know how I'm "finding the bad." Can you show me one straw poll we've won that has translated into a significant gain of forward momentum?

From what I remember, there are threads 20 pages long about every poll we win and how awesome it will be for us, yet we always poll with the same percentage of support.

 

[sailingaway]

The story here is that our guy had over 600 votes and the next closest was only 300 and change. They'll have to do a lot better than that to win Ames.

 

[sailingaway]

I'd really like to know how I'm "finding the bad." Can you show me one straw poll we've won that has translated into a significant gain of forward momentum?

From what I remember, there are threads 20 pages long about every poll we win and how awesome it will be for us, yet we always poll with the same percentage of support.

Momentum media gives the possiblity of more support. WITHOUT it, Michele Bachmann would have the entire and building spot light right now. That would hurt us. It was a big win because it helped keep Ron in positive headlines during her peak 'announcement' period. All go up at the beginning, we have to stay relatively up, and stay up still when they start to fall down again, after vetting. She timed her announcement perfectly amid all these high profile events - she is at another today, and did well, apparently. With Ron out of the headlines, it would look like she took his place. As it is, she's the new star, but there are others, particularly Ron, there before her.

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

God I wish there was a function on RPF where if X-number of people clicked a link it would ban a user for 2 hours. It's really really needed.

 

[swissaustrian]

""Paul, who brought busloads of supporters"

No, our supporters came of their own volition. It was Huntsman who bused in a bunch of CR flunkies.

Should we apologize because we have passionate and organized supporters? Hell no! Would you rather be Rick Santorum or Tim Pawlenty with no passionate support?

I didn't think so. Who would pay any attention to us if we were meek and mild?

Make no mistake as to what we are trying to do. We are an inter-party group trying to take over a major political party, which is our right to do. We are no different than the Goldwater movement, the Reagan movement, the Christian Coalition and others which have done the same within the history of Republican Party. Why can they do so and not us? We are encompassing a diverse coalition of persons and and persuasions united by RP's message. If we succeed, we will cause a fundamental realignment of U.S. politics, which frankly in my opinion desperately needs it. There will be a lot of people opposed to us because we threaten their interests within the party and in the nation as a whole. We have to be ready to take them on, beat them and present them fait accompli: You can back us or go kiss Obama's ass.

The purpose is not to destroy the GOP but to use it as vehicle for a larger cause which has it roots historically within the party as a whole. The bottom line is we're shaping a Republican Party for the 21st Century and for the nation and world as it exists, not as how others wish it to be either through nostalgia or ideology. This must be done or the party will turn into a bitter, cramped minority of old white people living in dying towns and suburbs even more dependent on government than already is. That might be good enough to win mid-term election but not a general and it will only be a matter of time before it can't even win a special election.

The message we take to average GOP voter is quite simple. We can grow this party, we can renew it, and we can make it endure. We can win and beat back the socialists. We can save the country. It's that simple.

The media which brought busloads of prestitutes... still can´t handle the truth.
Expect the same thing in iowa...

 

[sailingaway]

God I wish there was a function on RPF where if X-number of people clicked a link it would ban a user for 2 hours. It's really really needed.

I'm kinda agreeing with you.

 

[S.Shorland]

You can add people to your ignore list

 

[low preference guy]

God I wish there was a function on RPF where if X-number of people clicked a link it would ban a user for 2 hours. It's really really needed.

I'm kinda agreeing with you.

I don't get what you two are talking about.

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

You can add people to your ignore list

Too extreme.

 

[parocks]

Huntsman's supporters are Romney supporters. Romney likely bought a bunch of tickets long before he decided "no more straw polls for me" and told his supporters to vote for the other Mormon.

Oh, come on, they ALL used mob tactics in terms of trying to get their supporters to attend.. I COMPLETELY agree that booing is the worst possible thing to do, though because it makes it 'ok' when others boo our guy who probably never booed anyone in his life. It turns people against us. Without that, we wouldn't be seen as 'insurgents' but 'participants' and it is all the difference to winning new friends.

But there is no possible reason HUNTSMAN with his polling and lack of connection to New Orleans would have come in second if he hadn't organized. I KNOW Cain organizes, and Huntsman beat him. I think he planned this as a pre-launch buzz factor before announcing next week, and honestly believe his last minute cancelation due to being 'sick' was because he found out how many Ron Paul supporters were there so wanted to spin it as 'he wasn't there, so of course he didn't win', although obviously his supporters would have already come and registered before he canceled.

Practicality is one thing, but trying to only find the bad in a big achievement when a lot of people obviously went out of their way to make it happen isn't very nice, imho.

 

[reduen]

You guys celebrate every straw poll we spam as a win. It hasn't done anything for us nationally since 2008 and we always piss off the core of the party in the process. Like them or not, we need to be on good terms with those that hijacked the GOP.

So let's see....we'll still be polling in single digits....the rude supporters that did attend turned off a huge potential base....Ron's speech itself was polarizing....and we managed to piss of the party again by sending a boat-load of our own guys to crash the scene.


A buzzkill? I'm calling it how I see it. And you all wonder why we're so disliked. We basically use mob-tactics at any event we attend and make a poor name for this campaign. I'm willing to bet we'd gain more support if things were handled differently.

You use the word we an awful lot, you got a mouse in your pocket? I personally have never behaved in such a manner and I am yet to see these terrible “we” people that you are talking about…

Guess you think it would have been better for Ron Paul if he had nobody show up and he had lost the last two polls huh?

What is this we and them language anyway? In my county the Ron Paul supporters are the insiders!!! We are the Republican Party.. What have you done for Ron Paul in your county???

Get over yourself and do something for the cause. Have you been to any of these events? Have you presented Ron Paul to your local GOP?

 

[Badger Paul]

"Expect the same thing in iowa..."

But the Iowa Straw Open is open only to Iowans. It's not something you can just flock to from all over the country and vote. It is a test of strength of one's Iowa organization. And if we do well, then they just can't write-us off.

Winning it would bring a lot people to the campaign, the one's who don't think we can win.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I don't know why you're arguing. it's pretty much the same point.

Sit down, shut up, go away, play nice, and all the world will love Ron Paul.

What nonsense.

We are engaged in a campaign that will, if successful, will demolish the status quo and in the process, hang a lot people that are dependent on that status quo out to dry.

That includes a whole mess of short thinking " limited government conservatives" that have some vested interest in that status quo.

Of course they hate us, they always will hate us and no amount of ass kissing is going to change that.

A win will come about only one way, bringing a whole slew of new voters on board who are just as sick of the status quo as we are.

If we're going to rely on the "old guard" GOP to win this, we're sunk before we even start.

Oh, come on, they ALL used mob tactics in terms of trying to get their supporters to attend.. I COMPLETELY agree that booing is the worst possible thing to do, though because it makes it 'ok' when others boo our guy who probably never booed anyone in his life. It turns people against us. Without that, we wouldn't be seen as 'insurgents' but 'participants' and it is all the difference to winning new friends.

But there is no possible reason HUNTSMAN with his polling and lack of connection to New Orleans would have come in second if he hadn't organized. I KNOW Cain organizes, and Huntsman beat him. I think he planned this as a pre-launch buzz factor before announcing next week, and honestly believe his last minute cancelation due to being 'sick' was because he found out how many Ron Paul supporters were there so wanted to spin it as 'he wasn't there, so of course he didn't win', although obviously his supporters would have already come and registered before he canceled.

Practicality is one thing, but trying to only find the bad in a big achievement when a lot of people obviously went out of their way to make it happen isn't very nice, imho.

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

^^ come on!!