RIP: Charlie Kirk Assassinated at Event in Utah

[ClaytonB]

Yah, the entire shooting/hunting community is calling BS on the 306, even with a lighter load.

I was just mentioning that the bullet, as far as we know, wasn't lodged in his spine.

Apparently, it was just chilling right under his skin, which the surgeon just happened to overlook, as he dug into Charlie's neck.

The only way it could have been the result of a 30-06 fired at 140 yards is if the shooter completely missed, the bullet hit something hard and a shard ricocheted into Charlie's neck. When the news first came out, I had thought the shot was taken from a much further distance, there were even initial reports that the shot came from another building off-campus. Even at a longer range, it is unlikely the bullet could have lodged in his body after hitting a large bone, but it's hard to say it's impossible. But at a mere 140 yards, for such a high-powered rifle, there isn't even a chance. If a 30-06 had been fired with a standard load at 140 yards into Charlie's neck at that point, it would have nearly taken his head clean off because of the shock-wave. He would have had only half a neck, at best.

 

[nikcers]

It the lead up to 9/11 several events happened that were blamed on Osama Bin Laden and "radical Muslims."

The USS Cole attack happened in 2000 and by the end of the year Yemen's authorities arrested several people who they had said were responsible including Jamal Muhammad Ahmad Al-Badawi and Fahad Muhammad Ahmad Al-Quso.

Al-Badawi and Al-Quso were known al Qaeda operatives who trained in al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan during the 1990s.

So Al Qaeda was already a target whether 9/11 happened or not because they attacked us before 9/11 so they were already on our radar.

This is where people blamed the Congress for not acting before the 9/11 attacks happened and putting a stop to them.

People who believe that Congress has the sole authority to declare war blamed Congress for not declaring war against Al Qaeda before the 9/11 attacks would happen.

Thats why the 2001 AUMF Congress passed specifically ordered the president to use force preemptively to prevent any further terrorist attacks.

 

[acptulsa]

while I can?

I honestly think the truth about this one will come out. One the one tang of the fork, people are laughing at the denials. On the other, I don't think the hare-brained noise they're putting up as--what's the better analogy, camouflage or chaff--is making the serious investigators look like crackpots. So I think we'll know in the end.

 

[acptulsa]

The USS Cole attack...

...is, was and remains completely irrelevant, bot.

 

[nikcers]

...is, was and remains completely irrelevant, bot.

Not irrelevant. He said events leading to 9/11 made Americans blame the radical muslims.

The USS Cole attack happened before 9/11. So it remains a history lesson to remember.

Since it was Congress's job to prevent the 9/11 attack from happening by attacking them first and they sat on their hands and let it happen.

They knew those radical Muslims would attack us and were attacking us.

In Congress they blamed everyone and everything but themselves.

 

[acptulsa]

Not irrelevant.

Relevant only as a clue to how the real perps thought they could get away with this.

When you're in a hole, stop digging. Which means shut down the machines which shovel shit, because they only make the hole deeper. Hello? Are your humans paying attention? I just gave you good advice, guys. Shut this contraption down, it's in the wrong place.

 

[nikcers]

Relevant only as a clue to how the real perps thought they could get away with this.

When you're in a hole, stop digging. Which means shut down the machines which shovel shit, because they only make the hole deeper. Hello? Are your humans paying attention? I just gave you good advice, guys. Shut this contraption down, it's in the wrong place.

Blaming the wrong people for Charlie Kirk's murder doesn't belong here but you are free to have your opinions in this country but when you openly distort reality to conform to false narratives I am free to have my opinion.

We the people are responsible too.

If we let people murder political leaders like Charlie Kirk by tolerating radical terrorists like Robinson who don't tolerate us then we are letting it happen.

Our free country dies if people are free to kill it.

Toxic tolerance is killing us so there is a cultural problem.

We shouldn't sacrifice people like Charlie Kirk at the alter of tolerance.

We need reciprocal tolerance.

 

[acptulsa]

If we let people murder political leaders like Charlie Kirk by tolerating radical terrorists like Robinson who don't tolerate us then we are letting it happen.

There's a lot more evidence that Nuttyyahoo is a radical terrorist than Tyler Robinson. Nuttyyahoo will flat out tell you he orders people dead, and in quantities greater than one.

Meanwhile, a little tidbit for thinking people.

 

[osan]

This is for you Internet autists who need a step-by-step guide to processing human emotions (you know who you are):

Watching to 8:25, I can say this: everything this fellow says is valid. However, there is no way to know what is really in the mind/heart of another in such a case. Furthermore, given the nature of the world as it stands today, one cannot reasonably dismiss the questions of those who one might assess as "paranoid". It seems to day that everything is laced with odd inconsistencies. Computer technology has changed the ways in which people consume information. At times it alters the information itself, of course. Lies abound, but are mixed with truth, complicating matters greatly. Trust for many comes with far greater difficulty now than in the past. For those old like me, we can remember the days of Walter Cronkite, Edward R. Murrow, and Chet Huntley delivering the "news" - such as it may have been in all the relevant terms - and people felt they were able to trust it, regardless of any latent underlying reality to the contrary in those times. But now the network and everything that digital technology has brought to the table has altered things in such a way that people are prompted to question ever greater proportions of what is being broadcast.

The blessing has proved itself equal part curse and there is at this time precious little to be done about it. Even the so-called "AIs" are not to be trusted. I know this first hand because I've tested them and have uncovered many problems along the line of trust, all of them due not so much tp the tech per sé, but to the people behind the individual implementations. For example, chatgpt and claude are at significant variance with grok in terms of what they will produce in response to a menu of differing queries. But let me digress no further.

This body-language fellow makes valid points about Mrs. Kirk's likely state of emotions at the time she spoke. But to say that it could not have been faked cannot be completely dismissed, however unlikely the case may seem to reasonable people. The baloney is now so thick, the lies, the ignorance, the avarice, the viciousness so ubiquitous... it's anyone's guess what might be actual, whole truth. We can only go by what seems valid, and that only to some incomplete percentage precisely because almost nothing can be trusted fully. The information age has revealed to the world the seemingly bottomless depths of human corruption and the precarious positions we occupy as the earth spirals through the black oceans of infinity, to borrow from HP Lovecraft.

What we are witnessing just below the surface, the deeper reality, is the product of data chaos. Beyond a level of chaos-saturation and people start showing the symptoms of its effects. We now see it every day in nearly every quarter of human reality. We see it right here in these forums.

We can only do our best. Keep an open mind and try not to go over the edge of the razor on which many of us now daily dance.

 

[ClaytonB]

one cannot reasonably dismiss the questions of those who one might assess as "paranoid"

Sure, sincere questions are always allowed. Especially in Clown World. But the firestorm of hatred directed at Erika after Charlie Kirk's most-public murder is not "questions". Those are assertions. Baseless assertions.

 

[Snowball]

Parents and sister still haven't said anything at all
No evidence of either burial or cremation.
Yeah, Right.

 

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[acptulsa]

Coach gets something stuck in his head and it affects his ability to process new information. He was told the limper in black was Robinson, over and over. And he can't dislodge that thought, even as he says that there's doubt about it.

First we have to assume Robinson was even in Orem that day. And that's probably a safe assumption. If Twiggy was his FBI "handler", he/she/it could have gotten him there under whatever pretext. It would prevent the patsy from accidentally being somewhere where he could luck into an airtight alibi.

All right. Now. Is it better to assume limper in black is Robinson because you were told that first, more often, and shown somewhat better images of a stairwell? Or that the guy seen twice in the vicinity of a gray Challenger wearing a red shirt and shorts, and seen in a DQ dressed the same way, is Robinson?

The bottom line is, we already know there exist people who look enough like Robinson to pass for him when wearing dark sunglasses. Like Skye McHippie, or whatever his name is, who we met earlier and forgot about (even though it turns out he knew Twiggs).

 

[acptulsa]

Huh. I just got done saying that that suspect has to be a female, but now I see people are posting this picture of a trans biological male from Utah called Skye Valadez who just happens to have written a song called "Charlie Kirk dead at 31" Most serious trans guys really do starve themselves. Could be?
(posting this before it disappears, as it will if this is really the murderer.)

And it disappeared. So I guess we all have to trust my memory concerning my assertion that a pair of those sunglasses would make him look more like the stairwell guy in black than Robinson.

 

[acptulsa]

A cast of recurring characters -- Lance Twiggs and Skye Valdez the doppelganger?

One has been Officially Disappeared per the Feds' own public statement, and the other has been scrubbed from TwiX. That makes two points of intersection.

I'm still having trouble with the fact that they showed us a rifle with a plastic stock and told us it was a WWI relic.

 

[acptulsa]

Firstly, this guy sounds authoritative, and he is. But he's only human. He says a black powder rifle's barrel isn't rifled. Then why is it called a rifle, not a musket? Of course a black powder rifle's barrel is rifled. Mine is. Daniel Boone's was, or he'd have never gotten his reputation as a marksman. I can take you to J.M. Davis Museum in Claremore and show you rifles over two hundred years old, so you can see the rifling for yourself.

He also doesn't seem to notice the plastic-gray stock on that rifle, by the way.

But this is a useful vid. He made it making certain assumptions. He's specifically trying to answer the question, could a 22 year old amateur take an elderly .30-06 on that roof and make that shot? Could that result in what we see? I don't know that I agree completely that a .30-06 could lodge in a two hundred pound body and not move it backwards, but we don't know much of anything about the round.

In any case, it's important to understand he's testing very specific allegations. When he says, for example, there's no way that's an exit wound, he's saying it couldn't possibly be a .30-06 exit wound. Which is a dumb thing to say because who's arguing that it was a different shooter from a different position using the same gun? But that's the groove he stuck himself into, and he stays in it.

And no, don't believe the headline. He doesn't conclude anything of the sort. If you don't have the 42 minutes to invest, here's a spoiler: "Is it probable? No." 41:10



I've seen pics purporting to be these bullets and the one spent casing. They could give us a clue as to whether the round was frangible or not, if they're the actual items and not somebody's photoshop re-creation.

 

[jmdrake]

This is the test I was waiting for. Soft 30.-06 went straight through cow femur and two ribs. The shot at the ballistics gell dummy itself went through the cheekbone which makes sense based on where Charlie Kirk's head was in releastion to the rooftop where he was supposedly shot. The official story is BS. Physics and geometry don't lie. And with all of the cameras on that campus, including a camera showing the rooftop, why are their no photos or videos showing Tyler Robinson making the shot?