RIP: Charlie Kirk Assassinated at Event in Utah

acptulsa said:
Therefore you can't even define the range you're talking about. You're either missing or deflecting from the point, which isn't that someone could have used a palm gun from a roof, but that they might have gotten away with using one from much closer, in the crowd.
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No, that is exactly what I am trying to make clear.

At point blank range, less than a foot away, a round from such a gun would not do the damage, it would not "shock" the human body, the way in which Kirk's was.

acptulsa said:
Not that I care. I have no vested interest in that or any other alternative theory. I have not posted one thing about a palm gun. But I am posting this. Are you looking at the official narrative with a critical eye, or are you saying, a leftist killed a rightie and I don't want to be confused with facts because I'm invested in that narrative?
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I didn't say that you, specifically, mentioned that theory.

I just happened to have seen it posted and used it to make my larger point.

I am looking at any narrative from government with a critical eye, always have, while at the same time being fully cognizant that the Marxist left have whipped up a Bolshevik army of Queer Race Communists, who say they will kill us, have killed us, are happy that we have been killed, and will kill us again. And, to be clear, by "us" I mean anybody to the "right" of Chairman Mao.

Speaking of Chairman Mao, Lily Tang Williams, running for office here in NH, grew up in China under Mao's communist revolution, I just saw her speak about that in person, last week, and the parallels to today's America are stunning.

That's the coming dictator everybody should be concerned about.

Not a Fourth Reich, not another Il Duce, nor even an Augusto Pinochet.

acptulsa said:
...but it does nothing to satisfy me. And no, Swordsmyth (God rest him) has nothing whatsoever to do with it. Doing things because of personalities, or teams and their preferred narratives, is your style, not mine. I want the truth to come out. I'll be satisfied with the truth, no matter how appalling, and not satisfied with anything else, no matter how appealing.
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Are you honestly going to say that you did not have a horn out for Sword, personally?

Really?

Regardless, what if my version of events turn out to be the truth?
 
Anti Federalist said:
That's the coming dictator everybody should be concerned about.

Not a Fourth Reich, not another Il Duce, nor even an Augusto Pinochet.
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Lily Tang Williams or Mao Tse Tung?

Anti Federalist said:
Are you honestly going to say that you did not have a horn out for Sword, personally?
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In my opinion he posted a lot of b.s. Sometimes he insulted me. Other times he posted interesting, seemingly accurate content. Other times he was civil. I did my best to react to what was in front of me, just as I do with you or anyone else.

I've also seen palm guns in calibers like .41 and .45, but whatever. Like I said, I don't have a dog in that fight.

Anything else is another matter. I have no patience at all with bots. But I never believed Swordsmith to be one of those, even though I called him one now and then when I thought he was being particularly obsessive.
 
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acptulsa said:
Lily Tang Williams or Mao Tse Tung?
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LOL, Chairman Mao.

acptulsa said:
In my opinion he posted a lot of b.s. Sometimes he insulted me. Other times he posted interesting, seemingly accurate content. Other times he was civil. I did my best to react to what was in front of me, just as I do with you or anyone else.

I've also seen palm guns in calibers like .41 and .45, but whatever. Like I said, I don't have a dog in that fight.

Anything else is another matter. I have no patience at all with bots. But I never believed Swordsmith to be one of those, even though I called him one now and then when I thought he was being particularly obsessive.
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Well, we'll just have to see how this plays out.

One of the local churches had a very nice prayer vigil for Kirk today that I attended, keeping in mind I was never a huge follower or fan or supporter.
 
TheCount said:
Sounds legit.
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Well, you have to admit that a huge chunk of the mainstream and "alternative" media is controlled by wealthy interests. And you have to admit that those same wealthy interests can afford to rent large numbers of politicians, and don't seem to mind doing it. And you have to admit that those same politicians aren't being paid right now not to exercise government's muscle.

So, yeah. Most media is down with government action. In other words, left.

In this case, "left" includes Donald Trump. But I can't help that.
 
acptulsa said:
Well, you have to admit that a huge chunk of the mainstream and "alternative" media is controlled by wealthy interests. And you have to admit that those same wealthy interests can afford to rent large numbers of politicians, and don't seem to mind doing it. And you have to admit that those same politicians aren't being paid right now not to exercise government's muscle.

So, yeah. Most media is down with government action. In other words, left.

In this case, "left" includes Donald Trump. But I can't help that.
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I believe both the Right and the Left lead to the same end: more government control and less individual freedom. The Left does it openly — they legislate surveillance, censorship, and centralized authority in the name of progress or safety, without apology. The Right, on the other hand, pretends to resist. They speak of freedom and small government, but when a crisis hits — a terror attack, a mass shooting, civil unrest — they’re the first to push for new laws and restrictions.


The result is the same either way. The Left uses ideology to justify control, while the Right lets people demand it. Once in power, neither side repeals what the other put in place. They only build on it. Over time, the system grows more powerful, and freedom becomes a memory. The people think they're choosing sides, but really, they’re being led — not governed — by a machine that feeds on fear, division, and obedience.
 
acptulsa said:
Well, you have to admit that a huge chunk of the mainstream and "alternative" media is controlled by wealthy interests.
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Most media nowadays is controlled by people's interests.

The days of the powerful interest groups maintaining full control over it are dead.

Sure they can buy the popular media programs off and have them promote stuff they want to but if people dont like it or want it they can tune out.

Just look at the ratings of the networks that used to have so much power in our system they dont get any ratings anymore.

They tried putting it into the movies and all the big movies started to flop too.
 
Anti Federalist said:
No, that is exactly what I am trying to make clear.

At point blank range, less than a foot away, a round from such a gun would not do the damage, it would not "shock" the human body, the way in which Kirk's was.
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Another angle of the supposed palm gun shooter. He was in the front row. But after the shot, the hand that is supposed to have the gun in it reaches down and grabs the railing, which would be hard to do with that gun still in his hand.

 
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acptulsa said:
Oh, look. It's back to doing comedy.
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There's always consumer demand when it comes to media that plays a major role. People dont just watch whatever is on the TV anymore and nowadays algorithms know what you like and try to give it to you so they can keep your attention and you don't tune out.

We are long passed the days when there were only a few channels and every American watches the same thing.

Just look at all the people who didnt even know who Charlie Kirk was because they don't watch the same things kids are watching nowadays.
 
Occam's Banana

Post in thread 'Yes, they want you dead.'

https://x.com/NateFriedman97/status/1969515741906157951

Shocking Harvard University street interview about Charlie Kirk's assassination. I referenced a survey to him "32% of students say using violence to stop someone from speaking on campus is acceptable."

His response... "That's a radical minority, let's focus on the other 68%" Something is going on with Harvard!



Full video:

I Asked College Students About Charlie's Murder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqANK9pdlE4
{Nate Friedman | 19 September 2025}...
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AOC DEFAMES Charlie Kirk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTaomKZnxr8
{Actual Justice Warrior | 19 September 2025}

In this video, I discuss Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defaming Charlie Kirk on the house floor in order to signal to her base which has been cheering his assassination since it happened.

Sources:
 
Occam's Banana said:
Occam's Banana

Post in thread 'Yes, they want you dead.'

https://x.com/NateFriedman97/status/1969515741906157951

Shocking Harvard University street interview about Charlie Kirk's assassination. I referenced a survey to him "32% of students say using violence to stop someone from speaking on campus is acceptable."

His response... "That's a radical minority, let's focus on the other 68%" Something is going on with Harvard!



Full video:

I Asked College Students About Charlie's Murder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqANK9pdlE4
{Nate Friedman | 19 September 2025}...
  • Like
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It is not a 1% lunatic fringe of basement dwelling Buffalo Bills.

At the height of the SDS and the Weathermen and campus revolution and the Black Panthers in the 60s and 70s, I don't think you would have seen similar poll numbers.
 
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