RIP: Charlie Kirk Assassinated at Event in Utah

[acptulsa]

Are you saying that instead of looking out for millions of gays, trannies, blacks, browns, jews, all of whom could be on that roof, you should instead look for any type of person on that roof?


That seems... contrary to everything AF says.

I can't help that.

I've tried.

 

[TheCount]

I can't help that.

I've tried.

Have you tried shouting sarcasm from box seats in the back of the theatre?

 

[acptulsa]

Have you tried shouting sarcasm from box seats in the back of the theatre?

 

[CaptUSA]

Always beware of "sources" but...

 

[acptulsa]

"Sources tell me the FBI had texts and other communications between Robinson and the individual that helped FBI authorities solidify that Robinson was indeed the shooter."

Well yeah. One of those sources was the FBI. The question is, who is this possibly trans and possibly not roommate, and who were they working with before 9/10?

This person was sure quick to pop up and say, here I am conspiring with this murderer prior to the act to go get his rifle, so he didn't have to carry it during his getaway.

 

[TheTexan]

Always beware of "sources" but...

Nypost says law enforcement has confirmed it to them

Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin Tyler Robinson lived with transgender partner: source

That individual, who has yet to be identified by the authorities, is now fully cooperating with the FBI on its investigation into the fatal shooting of the conservative activist, the source added.

nypost.com

 

[CaptUSA]

"Sources tell me the FBI had texts and other communications between Robinson and the individual that helped FBI authorities solidify that Robinson was indeed the shooter."

Well yeah. One of those sources was the FBI. The question is, who is this possibly trans and possibly not roommate, and who were they working with before 9/10?

Or if any of it is real? I tried to factcheck it, but all I could find was that it got picked up by the Post Millenial..https://thepostmillennial.com/new-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner-report

 

[Lifesoup]

The kid didn't make that shot. The popular shot mechanics analysis is wrong.

 

[acptulsa]

Or if any of it is real?

Well, the FBI says he had a roommate who knew what he was considering prior to the act.

Feels funny as I say it, thinking back to a time when I thought that added a ring of truth to a statement. Whoa, I'm having a flashback, dude!

 

[acptulsa]

The kid didn't make that shot. The popular shot mechanics analysis is wrong.

What makes you say that? The fact that this was in reality a chest shot, and the analysis says that it was deflected upward?

I really am interested to know.

 

[ClaytonB]

How many of them were ever God's to begin with?

Starting from Puritan New England, probably most of them. Have you ever read a Puritan sermon? There is zero equivocation in their writings, they meant every single word, and they were the generations that produced the men who fought and died in the 1776 War for Independence -- they were not joking, not even a little.

Many churches have been part of the problem since the fall of Rome -- during parts of history, most of them.

And before -- the New Testament itself has tons of warnings against the most senior churches (see Revelation 1-3, for example). The church has been broken from day one. But God has determined to work through it anyway.

Even the ones that aren't get suckered into being part of the problem part of the time. I still remember a Zion propaganda Seder meal program in the fellowship hall of a normally fine Presbyterian church fifty years ago.

Whenever you see a large infiltration of the demonic realm into the visible church, it's a trap. For them. The hook has been planted and God is just letting the reel out.

Every televangelist channel is paid commercial programs from Israel, with something other than love.

You don't even have to dig that deep to see that they are antichrists, just listen to pretty much any clip of them speaking. The devil couldn't make his agents any more obvious if he tried.

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. But a big part of why churches lost their place in society is because a church isn't God, it's fallible men trying to grasp a path to God.

As if God is not wise enough to anticipate and correct for even that. The church, for all its flaws and failings, is God's instrument of spiritual warfare on earth for the duration of the church Age. It is made up not only of "fallible men", but sinners saved by grace. It is, in its very essence, imperfect. But it is perfectible, and the purpose of the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit is to create from the most improbable group of men, a divine weapon by which the Lord Jesus Christ will strike down the Antichrist himself.

And it has long been a severe temptation to provide parishioners the illusion that they're in the club, rather than providing them with help and guidance walking the rigorous path to the strait door. Because, after all, the customer is always right.

For sure, commercialization of religion has "Anglicized" the church in America. Certainly by the 2nd half of the 20th-century, church had become mostly a way to social virtue-signal more than anything else. It is the inevitable metastasis of success and the devil has very carefully cultivated that cancer. Jesus already knew this would happen 2,000 years ago when he was opening the minds of his apostles to the Scriptures after rising from the dead. It's something we fight against, obviously, but it is no existential crisis for the Gospel. We were never trying to "make the world safe for the Gospel", that's impossible.

 

[acptulsa]

As if God is not wise enough to anticipate and correct for even that. The church, for all its flaws and failings, is God's instrument of spiritual warfare on earth for the duration of the church Age.

Correct for? Well, yes, it couldn't be an accident that much of what Jesus said called out the hypocrisies of Pharisees. But in my view, churches are just like any of our tools. All of our tools can be tools of the devil, even churches. Honestly, though, this is a conversation for another thread.

 

[wizardwatson]

Charlie would have loved debating you on your opinions. Oh well, that ain't gonna happen.

Lots of grieving mothers and fathers in Gaza would have loved to see their babies reach the ripe old age of 31. Oh well, that ain't gonna happen.

 

[Lifesoup]

What makes you say that? The fact that this was in reality a chest shot, and the analysis says that it was deflected upward?

There is muzzle flash in the window above the "A" on the canopy and also reflected on a cellphone screen of the guy in the white shirt. You can see the head swell upon entry, the exit wound and the hole through the collar. Slow it down and look.
Also, for those confused about AI... the ring is a clasp ring that fell off and the black spot on his right upper chest is a clip on mic.

What makes you say that? The fact that this was in reality a chest shot, and the analysis says that it was deflected upward?

I really am interested to know.

There is muzzle flash in the window above the "A" on the canopy in video from Charlie's left. You can see the head swell as energy transfers upon entry, then the exit wound and the hole through the collar. There are other indicators too. Slow it down and look.
Also, for those confused about AI... the ring is a clasp ring that fell off and the black spot on his right upper right chest is a clip on mic.

 

[ClaytonB]

Somebody is cranking out Manchurian Candidates.

"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: ) ..."

 

[Lifesoup]

Weird double post...

 

[ClaytonB]

Let me know if you ever take a moment to wonder why you keep being told to fear more and more and more groups of people, all of whom are "coming for you."

Enemy propaganda tells us to fear their approach. Civil defense tells us to prepare for their approach. Enemy propaganda stops being "just" propaganda when the bullets start flying. At that point, it's kinetic. Fear has nothing to do with it.

 

[acptulsa]

Lots of grieving mothers and fathers in Gaza would have loved to see their babies reach the ripe old age of 31. Oh well, that ain't gonna happen.

I understand where you're coming from. But the fact that he rose to prominence on the backs of a fan base that bought the Hasbara, then turned into this guy...



... certainly makes it hard to deny that Israel benefits most from his death, by a margin.

Never mind whether his repentance is big enough or soon enough. Even if it was too little too late (and, honestly, that call will be made above our pay grade), do we do the babies of Gaza more good by discrediting Kirk over his past support? Or do we do them more good winning his supporters over to the view that Israel robbed them of his presence in their lives because he saw this light and changed his mind?

 

[acptulsa]

There is muzzle flash in the window above the "A" on the canopy and also reflected on a cellphone screen of the guy in the white shirt. You can see the head swell upon entry, the exit wound and the hole through the collar. Slow it down and look.

Thanks. TBH, I don't have the stomach for that kind of forensic analysis. But I'm glad to know what people are seeing.

 

[ClaytonB]

These kind of sick, unhappy people have always existed. Weaponizing them is something new.

It's not new (cf the history of witchcraft), but the industrial scale at which it is being done in the Anglosphere circa the late 2010s to today, is.