RIGHT ON! Obama lifts Bush restrictions on stem cell research

[GBurr]

This isn't good.

Obama has no business using my tax dollars to fund research.

Stealing money in order to help someone is still immoral and wrong. Te ends do not justify the means.

 

[satchelmcqueen]

This isn't good.

Obama has no business using my tax dollars to fund research.

Stealing money in order to help someone is still immoral and wrong. Te ends do not justify the means.

yes. i think private citizens should be the ones donating to anything.

 

[Liberty_is_NORML]

I don't see how this is a good thing. The federal government should not be involved in this arena at all.

werd

 

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

Obama proves yet again what a douchebag he is with this whole mess. There shouldn't be any Federal funding for this research, period. Not only has NO benefit been rendered by embryonic stem cell research (going on 3 decades now IIRC), there is the ethical problem.

Embryonic-stage humans are still humans and using them as research is no different than taking an old homeless man off the streets and slicing him up for spare parts. The right to life is pre-political and the fact that our tax dollars are going to be spent on something monstrous like this is nauseating.

 

[angelatc]

You know what, I had it coming with choosing the moniker "rational thinker." Anyone who opposes any argument I make on here will always go for my name and I'm quite sick of it. Though I had it coming, is there anyway I can change my username? Or do I have to make a new account?

What argument did you make? The one I saw had a flawed premise (maybe two) right out of the gate.

 

[angelatc]

So I am joyous to the fact that at least it was stem cell research that was supported.

Why?

Are you aware that the research has actually produced very little useful results? Rejection is a huge issue. Patients are developing huge tumors. They've had much better luck with adult cells.

This only diverts funding away from the science that actually holds the real promise. This is not about science, it is an agenda. Read and learn, grasshopper.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/heart-to-heart/2009/03/04/why-embryonic-stem-cells-are-obsolete.html

http://generalmedicine.suite101.com/article.cfm/adult_stem_cell_research_and_therapies
http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/03/new-major-breakthrough-in-adult-stem-cell-research/

 

[Original_Intent]

While that is true, I'd rather have something like this (aka science) funded than other programs which still exist to be funded.

It's better to have all federal funding abandoned, but that's not likely to happen.

So I am joyous to the fact that at least it was stem cell research that was supported.

So research that a good percentage of the population opposes for ethical reasons is a good option?

You make it sound like there is no federal funding of any science. Gee I am betting NASA will be disappointed to hear that.

Admit it, the entire point of this thread was to stick your thumb in the eye of any Christians/pro-lifers. I am sure you are "joyous" of the fact that it was stem cell research, not because the research has any merit or any good that it might do (highly questionable) but it is big win for secular humanism. Yay.

 

[Original_Intent]

Why?

Are you aware that the research has actually produced very little useful results? Rejection is a huge issue. Patients are developing huge tumors. They've had much better luck with adult cells.

This only diverts funding away from the science that actually holds the real promise. This is not about science, it is an agenda. Read and learn, grasshopper.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/heart-to-heart/2009/03/04/why-embryonic-stem-cells-are-obsolete.html

http://generalmedicine.suite101.com/article.cfm/adult_stem_cell_research_and_therapies
http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/03/new-major-breakthrough-in-adult-stem-cell-research/

Perfect.

 

[Zuras]

Don't feel bad, Rational. You've fallen for a typical leftie canard. Grow on it.

 

[WarDog]

This is not a good thing they will just tax your wealth even more you cant be Rational Thinker its not rational and you need to read up on this. Its a disgrace

 

[rational thinker]

So research that a good percentage of the population opposes for ethical reasons is a good option?

You make it sound like there is no federal funding of any science. Gee I am betting NASA will be disappointed to hear that.

Admit it, the entire point of this thread was to stick your thumb in the eye of any Christians/pro-lifers. I am sure you are "joyous" of the fact that it was stem cell research, not because the research has any merit or any good that it might do (highly questionable) but it is big win for secular humanism. Yay.

Well, that too.

 

[rational thinker]

Why?

Are you aware that the research has actually produced very little useful results? Rejection is a huge issue. Patients are developing huge tumors. They've had much better luck with adult cells.

This only diverts funding away from the science that actually holds the real promise. This is not about science, it is an agenda. Read and learn, grasshopper.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/heart-to-heart/2009/03/04/why-embryonic-stem-cells-are-obsolete.html

http://generalmedicine.suite101.com/article.cfm/adult_stem_cell_research_and_therapies
http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/03/new-major-breakthrough-in-adult-stem-cell-research/

I'm sorry but I disagree.

 

[ihsv]

Well, that too.

What a douche. Intentionally trying to cause trouble.

 

[angelatc]

I'm sorry but I disagree.

That's not an argument. That's an opinion.

 

[klamath]

One of the few good things Bush did was stop federal funding. The left has spun this issue so well, that you could poll the American people and they would think Bush unilaterally banned all public and private research in this area.
One more area I disagree with the Obama supporting OP on.

 

[CUnknown]

Guys, this thread is full of BS, this is not going to increase your taxes.. What it's doing is lifting the ban on funding stem cell research. Beforehand, money already allocated to, say, the NIH, was forced to go elsewhere even if the scientists thought it was best spent on stem cells. Now, the money is free to go wherever the NIH and the scientists think is best.

This is... get this... increasing the efficiency of government programs! Yay! Increasing the efficiency of your tax dollars that were already being spent on science, somewhere.

The only way you think this is bad is if you are religious. Then you have a perfectly understandable beef with it. But don't talk about taxes, please, at least not relative to what there was before under Bush.

Funding stem cells does not increase your tax burden. And, yes, this line of research has been hugely productive and has the promise of more in the future.

 

[rational thinker]

Guys, this thread is full of BS, this is not going to increase your taxes.. What it's doing is lifting the ban on funding stem cell research. Beforehand, money already allocated to, say, the NIH, was forced to go elsewhere even if the scientists thought it was best spent on stem cells. Now, the money is free to go wherever the NIH and the scientists think is best.

This is... get this... increasing the efficiency of government programs! Yay! Increasing the efficiency of your tax dollars that were already being spent on science, somewhere.

The only way you think this is bad is if you are religious. Then you have a perfectly understandable beef with it. But don't talk about taxes, please, at least not relative to what there was before under Bush.

Funding stem cells does not increase your tax burden. And, yes, this line of research has been hugely productive and has the promise of more in the future.

Where the fuck were you 30 posts ago?

Thanks for your input. I'm glad that there are a couple who see my POV and even if they don't agree, such angry responses I get are not helpful.

 

[Kludge]

That's not an argument. That's an opinion.

I disagree.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Nevermind.

 

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

Funding stem cells does not increase your tax burden. And, yes, this line of research has been hugely productive and has the promise of more in the future.

No one said jack or shit about an increased tax burden. Furthermore, I call bullshit on your asinine assertion that this line of research has been hugely productive. Back up your claim with a little proof. Angeltac has already linked to several clippings that point out that Embryonic Stem Cell research is fraught with dangers to the recipients, whereas Adult Stem Cells have been very beneficial.