RIGHT ON! Obama lifts Bush restrictions on stem cell research

[GunnyFreedom]

Well, that too.

So what are you saying here, that you're OK with unconstitutional spending and legislation, but only if it offends Christians??

 

[Danke]

We don't need to cut federal spending, we just need the right kind of spending. Let's keep taxes high and continue the massive borrowing.

 

[Bman]

So what are you saying here, that you're OK with unconstitutional spending and legislation, but only if it offends Christians??

I am in full agreement though that no government money should go to support research or development of any kind.

But what's being said here is that the research can be done. Not that the government is spending money on it. And if the government stays out of the issue completely it would reduce government.

 

[paulitics]

Guys, this thread is full of BS, this is not going to increase your taxes.. What it's doing is lifting the ban on funding stem cell research. Beforehand, money already allocated to, say, the NIH, was forced to go elsewhere even if the scientists thought it was best spent on stem cells. Now, the money is free to go wherever the NIH and the scientists think is best.

This is... get this... increasing the efficiency of government programs! Yay! Increasing the efficiency of your tax dollars that were already being spent on science, somewhere.

The only way you think this is bad is if you are religious. Then you have a perfectly understandable beef with it. But don't talk about taxes, please, at least not relative to what there was before under Bush.

Funding stem cells does not increase your tax burden. And, yes, this line of research has been hugely productive and has the promise of more in the future.

I'm not religious and I have a problem with my tax dollars paying for it. And why the broad pie in the sky assertions of government efficiency and taxes not going up when they get their greedy paws on more of the taxpayer's money.

 

[rational thinker]

So what are you saying here, that you're OK with unconstitutional spending and legislation, but only if it offends Christians??

I was kidding.

 

[Young Paleocon]

This spending is unconstitutional, and this science just like climate change and the greens is not apolitical. Big Science is real and it wants government subsidies. I'm not a Christian and I believe this is atrocious. Government funding science is no better than government in control of the media, it has ulterior motives and cannot be trusted.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I am in full agreement though that no government money should go to support research or development of any kind.

But what's being said here is that the research can be done. Not that the government is spending money on it. And if the government stays out of the issue completely it would reduce government.

if you read the post I quoted, RT stated that one of the major reasons he liked it, was because it offended Christians. I don't think "Offending Christians" is a proper justification for violating he Constitution is all. I have no dog in the fight over stem cell research except to agree with AngelaTC regarding efficacy, that adult stem cell research is far more promising than embryonic stem cell research.

Besides, the research could always have been done. It has never been banned. Only the government funding of it was previously banned.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I was kidding.

Well that, at least, is a relief.

 

[Original_Intent]

I am in full agreement though that no government money should go to support research or development of any kind.

But what's being said here is that the research can be done. Not that the government is spending money on it. And if the government stays out of the issue completely it would reduce government.

The above bold is dead wrong. Research could have been done at any time during the so called "ban". The only ban was a ban on federal funding of embryonic stem cell research. The only reason to lift that ban is if there is going to be federal funding of embryonic stem cell research.

Besides I thought they could harvest stem cells from umiblical cords of newborns? And no one has provided any evidence that ESC research is promising or any kind of useful therapies derived from ESC have been produced.

 

[bunklocoempire]

http://www.reuters.com/article/CHMMFG/idUSN0936136620090309

Besides the closing of Gitmo, another positive thing he has done.

Oh? Gitmo is closed? Or did he promise to close it?

A lot can happen in a year.

Bunkloco

 

[Bman]

if you read the post I quoted, RT stated that one of the major reasons he liked it, was because it offended Christians. I don't think "Offending Christians" is a proper justification for violating he Constitution is all. I have no dog in the fight over stem cell research except to agree with AngelaTC regarding efficacy, that adult stem cell research is far more promising than embryonic stem cell research.

Besides, the research could always have been done. It has never been banned. Only the government funding of it was previously banned.

Gotcha, Obviously missed that post, or even that the ban lifted was on federal funding. Yeah that is B.S. Yeah I don't know where my brain was there. Sorry fot typing.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Gotcha, Obviously missed that post, or even that the ban lifted was on federal funding. Yeah that is B.S. Yeah I don't know where my brain was there. Sorry fot typing.

Never be sorry for typing, neither be sorry for standing up for what you believe even when you are mistaken. the only thing one ever needs to be sorry for (in this arena) is standing by a mistake for appearances sake, after that it has been proven to be a mistake.

So no apology necessary, but you are welcome anyway.

 

[SimpleName]

Better to spend here than elsewhere without a doubt. Screw NASA...cure cancer. Unfortunately, we know they won't substitute this for something else. It'll just be added on as yet another big expense. UGH! I just wish people would see how unconstitutional all of this federal spending is. Make treaties, coin money, determine tariffs, organize the military, and whatever else is in that VERY short list. Stop doing EVERYTHING else. Not to mention that these executive orders are not Constitutional themselves. They are an extreme use of executive power. Imagine the founders sitting around trying to reason one man establishing laws all by himself after just emancipated themselves from the king. And nobody says anything about it. Reminds me again about how shitty the media is.

 

[Danke]

Not to mention that these executive orders are not Constitutional themselves. They are an extreme use of executive power. Imagine the founders sitting around trying to reason one man establishing laws all by himself after just emancipated themselves from the king. And nobody says anything about it. Reminds me again about how shitty the media is.

Another common misconception. Executive Orders are not laws. They are only for the Executive Branch unless made in pursuance of certain Acts of Congress.