RICO case to be brought against "criminal enterprise" GOP

[agaiziunas]

I don't know which would be more appropriate, a RICO case or charging the GOP with the rape of our liberties.

"Down the road, the group also plans to file a RICO suit that will attempt to expose widespread election fraud around the country. This looks like a serious legal effort."

"Just when it looked like the primary season was over, this lawsuit has the potential to blow the lid off of the 2012 election."

http://www.examiner.com/article/paul-grassroots-group-files-civil-suit-against-gop

 

[Lucille]

Excellent.

I still can't believe Republicans destroyed their own party for Mandate Mitt RomneyCare (Prog-MA). They love endless war and the police state that much!

 

[bcreps85]

Well, there should be more than enough evidence at this point to make something stick...

 

[[email protected]]

Sure glad they are doing this. I hope they expose all the voting fraud that has occured. Also unbounding the delegates will be nice. I don't see a judge denying that since there has already been a supreme court ruling.

 

[Vampire]

The RICO laws are unconstitutional as the law throws out due process and violates individual rights. It allows assets to be frozen (to include business seizure) prior to any conviction. RICO subverts law and liberty.

 

[bcreps85]

The RICO laws are unconstitutional as the law throws out due process and violates individual rights. It allows assets to be frozen (to include business seizure) prior to any conviction. RICO subverts law and liberty.

Though you are right, if anything comes of this, it is just another instance of using their own tools against them like we do with their party rules.

 

[Mr. Perfidy]

Yeah but how awesome would it be to use it on The Department of Justice, or the SPLC? Fuck liberty lol

 

[Mini-Me]

The RICO laws are unconstitutional as the law throws out due process and violates individual rights. It allows assets to be frozen (to include business seizure) prior to any conviction. RICO subverts law and liberty.

Generally and strictly speaking, true...playing fast and loose, you can probably make a case for it being self-defense in this case.

 

[Ivash]

These people really do like hyperbole. People aren't going to be interested in this.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

These people really do like hyperbole. People aren't going to be interested in this.

Media won't be, but "people" might be. They don't like corrupt liars, even if they aren't the best at recognizing them. Evidence is our friend.

 

[DeMintConservative]

This kind of nonsense only reinforces negative stereotypes about Paul supporters.

There's something many people don't understand: taking over a party means conquering the hearts of minds of the people in that party. A party without its loyalists is nothing. Taking over a party is about making friends, not about antagonizing people. It's about persuasion and seduction. You aren't going to be successful doing that if you show constant hostility towards the people you need to join you.

If the idea is to "take over" the GOP while driving 90% of the party away, what's exactly the point? That would be, if possible, futile. If you just want the ballot lines, take over the LP or something, which should be much easier.

 

[Barrex]

This kind of nonsense only reinforces negative stereotypes about Paul supporters.

There's something many people don't understand: taking over a party means conquering the hearts of minds of the people in that party. A party without its loyalists is nothing. Taking over a party is about making friends, not about antagonizing people. It's about persuasion and seduction. You aren't going to be successful doing that if you show constant hostility towards the people you need to join you.

If the idea is to "take over" the GOP while driving 90% of the party away, what's exactly the point? That would be, if possible, futile. If you just want the ballot lines, take over the LP or something, which should be much easier.

I would like to hear your opinion after you got your hip dislocated, your fingers broken, your body bruied, you are forbidden to vote because you are under 30 years old, you are no allowed to get elected as delegate because you wear Ron Paul shirt+ 1000 moore things...

 

[asurfaholic]

This kind of nonsense only reinforces negative stereotypes about Paul supporters.

There's something many people don't understand: taking over a party means conquering the hearts of minds of the people in that party. A party without its loyalists is nothing. Taking over a party is about making friends, not about antagonizing people. It's about persuasion and seduction. You aren't going to be successful doing that if you show constant hostility towards the people you need to join you.

If the idea is to "take over" the GOP while driving 90% of the party away, what's exactly the point? That would be, if possible, futile. If you just want the ballot lines, take over the LP or something, which should be much easier.

Maybe its actualy the GOP which is actively trying to divide the party? Why should normal republicans be ok with an establishment that shoves a Obama clone down our throats? In case you haven't noticed our country is in a death spin, the economy is in shambles, we have 15 t in debt, trillion dollar deficits, many many trillions in unfunded programs. A police state that is growing more and more oppressive.

Wars that wont end.

And we are supposed to sit back and play nice when your answer is to unite behind the mf'er that has no answer to any of our very real problems?

No, this is a REVOLUTION. We are changing the party from the inside out, playing be the rules, mind you. And more and more people are waking up to the criminal and deceitful tactics the GOP has utilized, and yet this " reinforces negative stereotypes about Paul supporter" well fuck them I don't care what none of those fancy pants think about this. They are a part of the criminal system and need to be shown the door.

America was founded on limited government, and while it adhered to those principles became the most prosperous nation in the world in very short order. Now your fancy pants old guard are upset because we are trying to return this country to a fiscally sound goverment by the people? Sheesh.

 

[jay_dub]

This kind of nonsense only reinforces negative stereotypes about Paul supporters.

There's something many people don't understand: taking over a party means conquering the hearts of minds of the people in that party. A party without its loyalists is nothing. Taking over a party is about making friends, not about antagonizing people. It's about persuasion and seduction. You aren't going to be successful doing that if you show constant hostility towards the people you need to join you.

If the idea is to "take over" the GOP while driving 90% of the party away, what's exactly the point? That would be, if possible, futile. If you just want the ballot lines, take over the LP or something, which should be much easier.

This suit is about election fraud....plain and simple. It not about 'taking over'...it's about ensuring a fair and transparent process, not only for Ron Paul, but for any candidate. We can't really have a 'representative Republic' if the process for choosing those that represent us is corrupt.

It's one thing to 'lose'; quite another to have something taken from you. If there's no merit to this suit, the Old Guard should have nothing to fear from it. However, there's ample evidence that the Old Guard should be afraid.

And, since you brought up a third party, here's some of Ron Paul's thoughts on that process.

 

[RonRules]

The disovery phase is what this is all about. Feed these lawyers with all the facts you can. They will be better armed to get to the truth and get these crooks in handcuffs.

 

[jonruh52]

Media won't be, but "people" might be. They don't like corrupt liars, even if they aren't the best at recognizing them. Evidence is our friend.

I think the media could be really interested in this because the Democrats will be really interested in this. Once the Democratic party finds out about this they are going to have a field day. Once these lawsuits are filed we need to inform the Democrats so they'll use it to attack white Obama. If they go on the attack before the convention and ruin white Obama's reputation then maybe the GOP will pull their heads out of their rear ends and see that Ron Paul is their savior.

 

[DeMintConservative]

I would like to hear your opinion after you got your hip dislocated, your fingers broken, your body bruied, you are forbidden to vote because you are under 30 years old, you are no allowed to get elected as delegate because you wear Ron Paul shirt+ 1000 moore things...

Maybe its actualy the GOP which is actively trying to divide the party? Why should normal republicans be ok with an establishment that shoves a Obama clone down our throats? In case you haven't noticed our country is in a death spin, the economy is in shambles, we have 15 t in debt, trillion dollar deficits, many many trillions in unfunded programs. A police state that is growing more and more oppressive.

Wars that wont end.

And we are supposed to sit back and play nice when your answer is to unite behind the mf'er that has no answer to any of our very real problems?

No, this is a REVOLUTION. We are changing the party from the inside out, playing be the rules, mind you. And more and more people are waking up to the criminal and deceitful tactics the GOP has utilized, and yet this " reinforces negative stereotypes about Paul supporter" well fuck them I don't care what none of those fancy pants think about this. They are a part of the criminal system and need to be shown the door.

America was founded on limited government, and while it adhered to those principles became the most prosperous nation in the world in very short order. Now your fancy pants old guard are upset because we are trying to return this country to a fiscally sound goverment by the people? Sheesh.

The GOP is the party. How can the GOP divide the party? It's the party itself. The party isn't the GOP and something else. It's just the GOP.

See, that exemplifies my point. There are lots of people here who are actively hostile towards the GOP. They see the GOP as an external entity and not something they are part of.

And that's fine. 55% of the country dislikes the GOP, 55% dislikes the Dems. What's nonsensical is to simultaneously want to be in and out. Be it Ron Paul supporters or RINOs that lose primaries like Mike Castle, nobody likes sore losers. And at least RINOs generally still support the nominees, at least nominally and don't take bizarre, extreme steps, like suing the party under RICO and calling it a "criminal enterprise".

What you guys call "the GOP" is basically 90% of the Republican primary voters and a larger number of registered Republicans and GOP GE voters. A party is just the people in it. If you honestly want to get those people on your side, being openly hostile towards them is the most reliable path for failure. No party will ever tolerate to be a vehicle for another party - that is only nominally inside the major party but without any intention to ever get in line to form a cohesive electoral front against the other side. That's why once the primary is over, you need to change the mindset. That's why Rand Paul endorsed and Ron Paul will eventually do the same. That so many of his supporters seem unable to understand this is very worrying for his "movement".

I just read an article about a completely different issue - the GOP and Latino voters - and the author makes an excellent point:

A lesson in life: If people think you don’t like them, nothing else matters. They won’t vote for you — even if that means going against their own self interest.

This is very, very true. Like it or not. Ignoring human nature isn't a good idea (besides being the antithesis of conservatism). Changing a party is about making friends, not fighting them bitterly at every point.

 

[Barrex]

It is our fault that they did all they did? That is logic used by husbands who beat their wiwes. Look at what you made me do....

 

[bcreps85]

It is our fault that they did all they did? That is logic used by husbands who beat their wiwes. Look at what you made me do....

At 89 posts, he is probably an infiltrator. A quick look at his post history reveals an underlying tone of "let's play nice with the Republican party". Seems exactly like the type of tone they would be hoping to see on these boards after crowning their man king even before the nomination process.

If the GOP has committed criminal acts, which isn't debatable, they should be held accountable. Period. It's nobody's fault but their own. Sure, the 90% of people who don't have a clue what is going on didn't take part...but if they actually knew what the GOP was up to, most of them probably wouldn't support it either. Arguing to give the 10% a free pass because the 90% *might* not agree with us is silly.

 

[Rocco]

Sigh, once again the rational are accused of being outsiders by the irrational.

At 89 posts, he is probably an infiltrator. A quick look at his post history reveals an underlying tone of "let's play nice with the Republican party". Seems exactly like the type of tone they would be hoping to see on these boards after crowning their man king even before the nomination process.

If the GOP has committed criminal acts, which isn't debatable, they should be held accountable. Period. It's nobody's fault but their own. Sure, the 90% of people who don't have a clue what is going on didn't take part...but if they actually knew what the GOP was up to, most of them probably wouldn't support it either. Arguing to give the 10% a free pass because the 90% *might* not agree with us is silly.