Rick Perry makes his alcoholism to homosexuality comparison (again)

lol! I disagree with this. And I'm as anti-homosexuality (at an individual level) as anybody here. I'm not a fan of it at all.

Did you even read what he said? if so, how can you disagree? If no one procreated, the human race would go extinct, period. Read again:
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One has no severe consequences to society (alcoholism), the other (gayness) would cause the extinction of the human race if everyone did it
 
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First of all, who said anything about a person being an abomination? I was talking about an action.

Second of all, who are you to ask God "why did you make me like this?"




Who are you to say what the "true light" is? What standard are you using?

You said some gays believe in the Bible when it states that homosexuality is an abomination. And as I stated earlier, as I look around the world...I see people that seem to be born gay, and are not just acting out on a behavior. Do you not see this? Or are you just wearing some sort of biblical blinders? It seems to me that homosexuality is not some behavior, but it is how some folks are wired...part of the essence of their being. So if this is true, then my point follows that in your example these people must wonder why the good Lord put them into an existence as an abomination.


In regards to your question about the trio light....I'm just as qualified as you are, sir.
 
You said some gays believe in the Bible when it states that homosexuality is an abomination. And as I stated earlier, as I look around the world...I see people that seem to be born gay, and are not just acting out on a behavior. Do you not see this? Or are you just wearing some sort of biblical blinders? It seems to me that homosexuality is not some behavior, but it is how some folks are wired...part of the essence of their being. So if this is true, then my point follows that in your example these people must wonder why the good Lord put them into an existence as an abomination.

None of this is relevant to anything.

In regards to your question about the trio light....I'm just as qualified as you are, sir.

I agree. And my qualifications are zero.

God's Word is the only standard that makes sense.

Christianity isn't genetic, because everyone naturally refuses to be a Christian.
 
I think he was the first guy I ever neg reped. The second was teh Collins, one each:D
I have indeed plus repped Collins though, not sure about pinky, probably not.:(

What did you +rep Collins from? I've never seen him make a good post. Then again, I don't usually read his posts. Then again, most of them lack text;)
 
Do you honestly think being gay is a mental illness?

Yeah. If there were other choices that were more accurate, I might choose that one.

Yeah. Being attracted to the wrong sex makes it impossible for you to reproduce. Inability to reproduce - clear harm.

Mental illness, medical condition, either one works. Here, take this pill, it'll make you want to have sex with girls. Here, stop eating soy, it's loading you full of estrogens which is screwing with your wanting to have sex with girls. It could be caused by any number of things. Do the science, get the cure.
 
lol! I disagree with this. And I'm as anti-homosexuality (at an individual level) as anybody here. I'm not a fan of it at all.

Alcoholism has serious consequences for "society" (I hate that term, but I'm going to use it anyway and hope that people don't take me to mean something that I don't). Alcoholism and child neglect/abuse also go together. Not to mention driving while under the influence, which often leads to people who can't handle their alcohol killing people or getting into accidents on the road.

Now, I want to be clear here, this in no way means that alcoholism should be illegal, or even that drunk driving should be illegal. I'm completely opposed to the "pre-crime" concept. Just because some drunks abuse their kids or kill people on the road does not mean that anything should be criminalized. It does mean that it isn't something we should encourage. Similarly to how I think you have every right to shoot heroin, but if you asked me my opinion, I'd suggest you pass on that right, even if it were legal as it should be.

And... the idea of everybody being gay is just ridiculous. Its never going to happen. There might be some people who are gay but don't act on it because of religious beliefs. But that's nowhere NEAR half the population. To be clear, I do believe homosexuality is harmful to society, but in much more subtle ways than "oh no, everyone is going to become gay and humans will go extinct:p"



lol! When it comes to politics and history I think I'm smarter than anybody I know in person. I'm also not nearly as humble as I should be:p



They don't understand it because they disagree with it. Most people here are fine with homosexuality. I'm not. I don't believe that its moral and I don't think it should be encouraged. Now, I am of course a libertarian and I believe everyone should have the right to do what they want with their own lives as long as they don't aggress against anyone else. But, there are lifestyles I disprove of, and homosexuality is one of those.

The point that he was making was obvious. Just because your genes predispose you to certain activities doesn't make those activities right. Admittedly, I'd rather hear that from a pastor than a GOP politician. Perry needs to lean that his genetic presuppositions toward control, violence, and war do not give him an excuse to partake in those activities. But, just because it wasn't really his place to say what he said, just because he's a hypocrite, doesn't mean he's wrong.


I don't think trying to cure homosexuality with drugs is the answer. I think Romans 1 is the correct answer. Because ultimately, I see it as a sin issue, not as a disease. The same is really true for alcoholism. Jesus Christ is the answer.


I disagree. Christianity being true is the reason why homosexuality, or anything else, is immoral. You cannot separate morality from faith.

I don't trust scientists



There are four hypothetical possibilities here:

1. BOth homosexuality and alcoholism are wrong

2. Alcoholism is wrong but homosexuality is not

3. Homosexuality is wrong but alcoholism is not.

4. Neither homosexuality nor alcoholism is wrong.

You're presupposing #2, but how is that any better than #3? The Bible tells me that #1 is correct, but how do you know?




So what?



Because its unnatural and disgusting. And there are a lot of Christians who struggle with this and do not want to act on it. Who are you to tell them they are wrong? Do you even have a standard at all?



What a shock:p

Too much to address - here's some.

The argument is that it's intrically bad because it leads to extinction. The argument isn't that it's bad because it will. Let's flood with viruses, they won't kill everybody. No, intrinsically bad.

Regular sex got us where we are today. Gay sex means there's no one left. Quick, which one is better? This is not a hard one to answer.

If you want to tie it in with Christianity, "be fruitful and multiply".

Humans without medical conditions can reproduce. They're healthy. Reproduction is necessary for humans. Humans who can't reproduce, are not healthy.

Healthy is better than not healthy.
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the GOP should be using science words and not religion words. It's as if the GOP isn't even trying. Surely, they know that it's really hard to find a GOP voter in the Northeast that wants to hear about how religion and not science holds the cure to gay. Was that Ken Mehlmans plan? Strongly anti-gay, using no arguments from science, ensuring that the anti-gay message

The reason we have marriage is for reproduction. It's the reproductive unit. 2 people coming together to form a reproductive unit. Changing the meaning of the word marriage to negate its entire purpose seems the bad idea.

About alcoholism. Yeah, there are consequences to it. I added serious to the sentence when reading it over. Alcoholism does not present a catastrophic risk to society.
It's been there, all along. It creates individual problems. Just another bad thing to add to the long list of things that are bad. And everyone has some of those bad things, some a lot more than others.

None of that is extinctionary. I just think that there is a big red flag with anything like that that is extinctionary. Is the thing extinctionary? Avoid this. Encouraging extinctionary things is just bad public policy.

And it's not because it will cause extinction, but because good does not come of it. Sickness is not the equivalent of health. Lets not encourage sickness, disease, malfunction. What happens when the reproductive rate slows down is people can't retire as young as they used to. That's a pretty big effect on society. Abortion plays a role here as well.
 
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