Rick Perry makes his alcoholism to homosexuality comparison (again)

[jtap]

So, am I the only one here who is aware of people who are, or have been involved in same sex relationships. Who have said negative things about the life style? Saying they wish they could get out, or have gotten out of it?

I know it's fun to bash Rick Perry, and that's fine. But I never see the topic of self professed former homosexuals brought up. They are out there, I have listened to their interviews.

I dare say that a former homosexual might not have been a homosexual, but just someone experimenting. There is no way to know for sure though unless they come up with a genetic test or even prove that it is a genetic issue.

I will give Perry a bit of credit since it sounds like he's admitting that homosexuality is a genetic issue, which many Christians don't want to admit is possible (I lean towards it being such but am not claiming to be sure of this). Politically he's an idiot for bringing this subject up as it is a poison pill and won't help him.

I do think it's an apples and oranges comparison, both fruit (assuming they are genetic) but your sexuality isn't really a genetic coding that inclines you to be an addict to gay or straight sex. Wouldn't a proper comparison be alcoholics to sexaholics (with no gay or straight component)?

 

[William Tell]

I dare say that a former homosexual might not have been a homosexual, but just someone experimenting. There is no way to know for sure though unless they come up with a genetic test or even prove that it is a genetic issue.

I tend to think someone would know what his sexual orientation is, but that's just me. I don't get you would decide that one man who is attracted to other men is a 'real' homosexual and another isn't. If you listen to former homosexuals, they are pretty clear about what their tendencies were. To me, it's really just an issue of if you believe them, I do, but I see how it would be amazing to most if true. Especially since so many say they went through a spiritual transformation.

After the spiritual experiences I have had, I can believe it 100%. But I can see how non believers might not except that such things happen. And there are certainly religious people who do not think God is so involved in personal lives. But I realize that may be slightly off topic.

The question is, whether one believes those who say their orientation changes. I don't see why so many insist it does not happen. Regardless of the cause.

 

[jtap]

I tend to think someone would know what his sexual orientation is, but that's just me. I don't get you would decide that one man who is attracted to other men is a 'real' homosexual and another isn't. If you listen to former homosexuals, they are pretty clear about what their tendencies were. To me, it's really just an issue of if you believe them, I do, but I see how it would be amazing to most if true. Especially since so many say they went through a spiritual transformation.

After the spiritual experiences I have had, I can believe it 100%. But I can see how none believers might not except that such things happen.

Many things are possible and I admit that. The lines are often not as black and white as we like them to be and I'm not trying to be difficult but thinking about the grey areas, bisexuals come to mind. How does that come into play? Are they heterosexual or homosexual or in-between the transformation?

 

[erowe1]

Its fun to see bigots like perry openly display their ignorance.

How is that ignorant?

 

[William Tell]

Many things are possible and I admit that. The lines are often not as black and white as we like them to be and I'm not trying to be difficult but thinking about the grey areas

Understood.

bisexuals come to mind. How does that come into play? Are they heterosexual or homosexual or in-between the transformation?

I think they are just bisexuals, being attracted to one thing does not always exclude attraction to something else. Granted, it does seem kind of odd to to a lot of us. I think a lot of them end up with one or the other over time, but that does not mean they don't have both urges.

 

[Carlybee]

I dare say that a former homosexual might not have been a homosexual, but just someone experimenting. There is no way to know for sure though unless they come up with a genetic test or even prove that it is a genetic issue.

I will give Perry a bit of credit since it sounds like he's admitting that homosexuality is a genetic issue, which many Christians don't want to admit is possible (I lean towards it being such but am not claiming to be sure of this). Politically he's an idiot for bringing this subject up as it is a poison pill and won't help him.

I do think it's an apples and oranges comparison, both fruit (assuming they are genetic) but your sexuality isn't really a genetic coding that inclines you to be an addict to gay or straight sex. Wouldn't a proper comparison be alcoholics to sexaholics (with no gay or straight component)?

There are definitely people who are hedonists and will do anything with anybody and they may not fit the exact definition of gay per se.

 

[TonySutton]

I know it might be hard for some members here to understand but there are actually people who aren't attracted to body parts the way a lot of people are. They are attracted to the person and the body parts simply become a mechanism for displaying their affection.

 

[jtap]

I know it might be hard for some members here to understand but there are actually people who aren't attracted to body parts the way a lot of people are. They are attracted to the person and the body parts simply become a mechanism for displaying their affection.

That makes sense to me logically (choosing your sexual preference - which could change over time based on the person you are in love with), but that would have nothing to do with the "genetic coding" Perry is talking about.

 

[scottditzen]

I'm saying a simple fact - that if everyone was homosexual, human beings would vanish from the early. That's a fact.

It's my opinion that humans going extinct is very bad. There should be widespread agreement with that opinion.

Things that would cause extinction shouldn't be encouraged by public policy, they're intrinsically bad.

You seem to think that if gay actually won't cause extinction that it's not a problem, and you seem to think that I'm arguing that it will cause extinction.

No. if it, taken to the extreme, causes extinction, it's extinctionary and therefore, bad.

You also seem to think I'm talking religion - "apocalypse" - but I'm talking science. A failure to reproduce causing extinction. No religion there, just science.

Yes, you sound like true man of science.

 

[Voluntarist]

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[Voluntarist]

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[DFF]

It is a disorder.

I kind of lean in this direction as well.

But maybe homosexuality has some kind of purpose in nature - like, population control since gays don't reproduce.

 

[Carlybee]

The funny thing about this whole thing is that rumors have gone around for YEARS here in Texas that Rick Perry is bi.

 

[Voluntarist]

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[Legend1104]

Personally I am against homosexuality as a Bible believing Christian and don't really disagree with what Perry is saying, but the real problem is that this gets media attention because it has become a political issue. This type of debate needs to be discussed between people on an individual level. This is exactly why Republicans and Libertarians should be making it their position to end government licensing of marriage for anyone. Then this stuff would just go away. Many a democrat hate repubs because of the "gay issue." It should not be a crime worthy of becoming a social pariah and being declared a backwards toothless idiot to hold those types of opinions, but it should also not be a legal, political issue either. As a Christian I believe that the only way that a person gay or straight can become right with God is through salvation and that is not something that the government can give you, and I don't want a day to come where I or my pastor will go to jail for believing what I believe. This is why so many Christians are so short sighted because they don't realize that by allowing government marriage to continue they are not only leading to their own destruction (so to speak) but are actually going against their own Christian creed. Did Adam and Eve get a marriage license? If I want to be married to my girlfriend and the pastor (and Bible) says it is ok, but the government does not then who has the final authority over it, God or the government? Christians need to wake up.

 

[jtap]

Rick Perry: I ‘stepped right in it’ comparing gays and alcoholics

Texas Gov. Rick Perry admitted Thursday he had yet another “oops” moment when he recently compared homosexuality to alcoholism.

“I got asked about an issue, and instead of saying, ‘You know what, we need to be a really respectful and tolerant country, and get back to talking about, whether you’re gay or straight you need to be having a job, and those are the focuses I want to be involved with,’” he said at a Christian Science Monitor event. ”Instead of getting — which I did, I readily admit, I stepped right in it.”

Perry continued, “If you’re really going to be the party that’s going to go talk to everybody and say, ‘Listen, you may not agree with all of my positions, but getting you and your family, your loved ones the opportunity to live a better life because we have created a climate in this country where you’re going to have a job and a good job and a good paying job,’ if we’ll do that, then I think we’ll be successful.”

Perry’s original comments came during a conversation about “reparative,” or gay conversion, therapy that Texas Republicans formally endorsed in their party platform just this week. Practitioners of the controversial therapy claim to be able to turn homosexuals straight with a variety of techniques that critics argue are both psychologically damaging and ineffective.

“Whether or not you feel compelled to follow a particular lifestyle or not, you have the ability to decide not to do that,” Perry said June 11, according to The San Francisco Chronicle. “I may have the genetic coding that I’m inclined to be an alcoholic, but I have the desire not to do that, and I look at the homosexual issue the same way.”

Perry reflected Thursday on his 2012 presidential run, which he described as both “humbling” and “painful” while stopping short of ruling out taking another shot at the White House in 2016.

“I am glad I ran in 2012, as frustrating, as painful and as humbling as that experience was,” he said, adding later, “Being prepared both physically and mentally is very important.”

http://www.msnbc.com/politicsnation/rick-perry-i-stepped-right-it

As I referenced in the OP this was not the first time. How dumb of him to not realize that the first time he did it?

 

[Occam's Banana]

“I got asked about an issue, and instead of saying, ‘You know what, we need to be a really respectful and tolerant country, and get back to talking about, whether you’re gay or straight you need to be having a job, and those are the focuses I want to be involved with,’” he said at a Christian Science Monitor event. ”Instead of getting — which I did, I readily admit, I stepped right in it.”

Perry continued, “If you’re really going to be the party that’s going to go talk to everybody and say, ‘Listen, you may not agree with all of my positions, but getting you and your family, your loved ones the opportunity to live a better life because we have created a climate in this country where you’re going to have a job and a good job and a good paying job,’ if we’ll do that, then I think we’ll be successful.”

Geezum crow! I don't care what you think about homosexuality - this guy is just a babbling moron ...

 

[PaulConventionWV]

It's always sad to see how societal pressure has driven those in the closet to come up with irrational, scientifically unsound reasons to lambaste homosexuality. This sort of projection can't be healthy.

Did you really just imply that everyone who criticizes homosexuality is "in the closet."

This subtle propaganda is getting ridiculous. Rick Perry did not compare homosexuality to alcoholism. He made an analogy to alcoholism. There is a big difference.

 

[DamianTV]

Rick Perry is as addicted to bashing homosexuality as Smurfs are to playing with Blue Balls.

There, I said it. Now, who is the addict? The homosexuals, or Rick Perry?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Right. It appears that you have at least average intelligence, if not greater than that. I'm a little surp rised that RPF is now full of people who can't understand Perry's common sense argument.

He could also have said that cancer has a genetic component, at times, genetically, some are more predisposed to getting cancer than others. That doesn't mean that we aren't going to try to cure cancer with drugs.

He could have said that even if gay has a genetic component, that doesn't mean that we can't try to cure gay with drugs.

The problem with the standard socon treatment of the gay disease is that they relies a lot more on prayer than most mental illness treatments.

Find a cure using science.

It's really weird how taboo this all is. Any time you mention the word "cure", you're bound to get lambasted because it's just not PC to think homosexuality can be cured or that it's anything other than the most normal thing anybody ever did.

Of course, it's all just a big political dog and pony show and arguments that stifle the freedom to choose one's own identity regardless of what people think your "nature" is, are made in the interest of an agenda. Why wouldn't you want gay people to have the option to change themselves? You can't possibly use force to repel them from this sort of therapy and then claim to be interested in their true identity. You're a hypocrite if you do that.