One has no severe consequences to society (alcoholism), the other (gayness) would cause the extinction of the human race if everyone did it.
lol! I disagree with this. And I'm as anti-homosexuality (at an individual level) as anybody here. I'm not a fan of it at all.
Alcoholism has serious consequences for "society" (I hate that term, but I'm going to use it anyway and hope that people don't take me to mean something that I don't). Alcoholism and child neglect/abuse also go together. Not to mention driving while under the influence, which often leads to people who can't handle their alcohol killing people or getting into accidents on the road.
Now, I want to be clear here, this in no way means that alcoholism should be illegal, or even that drunk driving should be illegal. I'm completely opposed to the "pre-crime" concept. Just because some drunks abuse their kids or kill people on the road does not mean that anything should be criminalized. It does mean that it isn't something we should encourage. Similarly to how I think you have every right to shoot heroin, but if you asked me my opinion, I'd suggest you pass on that right, even if it were legal as it should be.
And... the idea of everybody being gay is just ridiculous. Its never going to happen. There might be some people who are gay but don't act on it because of religious beliefs. But that's nowhere NEAR half the population. To be clear, I do believe homosexuality is harmful to society, but in much more subtle ways than "oh no, everyone is going to become gay and humans will go extinct
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Right. It appears that you have at least average intelligence, if not greater than that.
lol! When it comes to politics and history I think I'm smarter than anybody I know in person. I'm also not nearly as humble as I should be
I'm a little surp rised that RPF is now full of people who can't understand Perry's common sense argument.
They don't understand it because they disagree with it. Most people here are fine with homosexuality. I'm not. I don't believe that its moral and I don't think it should be encouraged. Now, I am of course a libertarian and I believe everyone should have the right to do what they want with their own lives as long as they don't aggress against anyone else. But, there are lifestyles I disprove of, and homosexuality is one of those.
The point that he was making was obvious. Just because your genes predispose you to certain activities doesn't make those activities right. Admittedly, I'd rather hear that from a pastor than a GOP politician. Perry needs to lean that his genetic presuppositions toward control, violence, and war do not give him an excuse to partake in those activities. But, just because it wasn't really his place to say what he said, just because he's a hypocrite, doesn't mean he's wrong.
He could also have said that cancer has a genetic component, at times, genetically, some are more predisposed to getting cancer than others. That doesn't mean that we aren't going to try to cure cancer with drugs.
He could have said that even if gay has a genetic component, that doesn't mean that we can't try to cure gay with drugs.
I don't think trying to cure homosexuality with drugs is the answer. I think Romans 1 is the correct answer. Because ultimately, I see it as a sin issue, not as a disease. The same is really true for alcoholism. Jesus Christ is the answer.
The problem with the standard socon treatment of the gay disease is that they relies a lot more on prayer than most mental illness treatments.
I disagree. Christianity being true is the reason why homosexuality, or anything else, is immoral. You cannot separate morality from faith.
Find a cure using science.
I don't trust scientists
He's comparing apples to oranges like a simpleton.
The comparison only works because of the conclusion he's drawn in his mind, in which he believes that there's something wrong, or detrimental with being gay...just as there's something wrong or detrimental with alcoholism.
There are four hypothetical possibilities here:
1. BOth homosexuality and alcoholism are wrong
2. Alcoholism is wrong but homosexuality is not
3. Homosexuality is wrong but alcoholism is not.
4. Neither homosexuality nor alcoholism is wrong.
You're presupposing #2, but how is that any better than #3? The Bible tells me that #1 is correct, but how do you know?
One is about who people are attracted to, and hurts no one; where the other is a disease that will kill a person.
So what?
i can understand why someone who is an alcoholic wouldn't want to act on their desires, but why should someone who is gay not want to act on theirs?
Because its unnatural and disgusting. And there are a lot of Christians who struggle with this and do not want to act on it. Who are you to tell them they are wrong? Do you even have a standard at all?
Courage is a very good organization that focuses specifically on this issue and is run in large part by celibate gay Catholics. I read a story one wrote. Apparently, Courage isn't treated that nicely by practicing homosexuals. Who knew?
What a shock
